Re: [ga] RE: GA irrelevant

["Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

sotiris and all,

  I largely share Sotiris'es observation and sympathize with
his frustration to a great degree.  

  On the other hand it is not for Roberto or any other ICANN
official to 'Tell' members of the GA how to organize in a 
manner that is acceptable to ICANN, nor should he, or they.
I am sure that Roberto has what he believes/thinks would be
acceptable or might be.  But in order to maintian objectivity
given his possition within ICANN he 'May' feel that to specifically
outline what Sotiris is asking for below, is a potential conflict
of interest accordingly.

  The IDNO effort of some time ago now failed bacause it was
exposed as being corrupt.  Bootstrapping a 'Organized GA' requires
at least some up-front funding and some reasonable level of
self supporting process/mechnisism.  Today the GA does not have that
nor is it likely that ICANN will provide either funding or a new
process/mechnisim that extends the GA.  Frankly the GA IMO is just
fine the way it is for what it actually is despite those that fling
insults at the GA list members as a whole.  General Assemblies in
many other government and non-government fora are often contentious,
and sometimes that is a healthy thing.  This GA is no different.
The GA here is simply an open and supposedly transparent mailing
list comprised of interested stakeholders and/or registrants. IMHO
again ICANN would be disadvantaging itself if it wanted or is seeking
to overly structure the GA where freedom of expression was either
suppresed or done away with all together.  This would at times also
include unfortunately personal insults not intended or otherwise.  

  FWIW, what in short we really have here is a long standing
perception problem by certain ICANN officials, ect., on a personal
basis, as well as same by some of others participating on the GA.
The latter is to be expected, the former is at least understandable,
but may be perceived by some of the GA participants and ICANN officials
as not wholly acceptable. I at times, but not always, share that consideration
accordingly.  Couple this with different ideas or considerations
as to what is or is not acceptable discourse or use of language
in GA posts, and you have a very complicated situation.  Not everyone
feels the same, but I side largely but not entirely with open
free, and unfettered discourse even when it is sometimes not very
pleasant as such reflects the REAL world, not a desired utopia.


-----Original Message-----
>From: sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: May 11, 2010 9:33 PM
>To: Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: 'Joop Teernstra' <terastra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [ga] RE: GA  irrelevant
>
>
>Roberto wrote:
>> But that's life, if there is no willingness by registrants to get
>> themselves
>> organized, it is a fact of life that has to be taken into account.
>
>Roberto, that is a load of bunk and you know it. Every time we have tried
>to organize in the last 12 years, ICANN has torpedoed the efforts, whether
>it be through paid shills who disrupt the GA list, or through refusal to
>acknowledge any process that might lead to our organizing ourselves.
>
>So, why don't you tell us, finally, how we should go about organizing
>ourselves in a manner that would be acceptable. Please be as specific as
>possible.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
Regards,

Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 294k members/stakeholders and growing, 
strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very
often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability
depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of
Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Phone: 214-244-4827