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Subject: Re: [ga] This list.....
From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:53:54 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>Dr. Joe and all,</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp; With all due respect and consideration to Debbie, I agree that the GA 
is a distraction, but it</P>
<P>should be as long as the distractions are given in a positive light even 
though they may be</P>
<P>a bit of information that is not positive.&nbsp; The IT world is not, and 
never has been a "Peaches</P>
<P>a Cream" enviorment, nor will it ever likely be entirely.&nbsp; But without 
knowing the negitives,</P>
<P>we cannot turn them into positives.&nbsp; Ergo the challange.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp; Of course I am paraphrasing Shakespear for Debbies benifit, as 
no&nbsp;wiser an Englishman</P>
<P>ever lived, and perhaps such wisdom will be influencial enough to properly 
reprogram</P>
<P>Debbies mind...<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 
2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Joe Baptista 
<BAPTISTA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: May 1, 2010 11:29 AM <BR>To: 
debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: Re: [ga] This 
list..... <BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Debbie Garside <SPAN 
dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="mailto:debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=im> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>I think the great shame of this situation is that there 
are a lot of people within this forum with huge amounts of knowledge that could 
contribute greatly to the efforts of ICANN in providing workable solutions to 
the everyday problems that any organization tasked with managing the internet 
in terms of stability, interoperability and, most importantly, security will 
undoubtedly face.&nbsp; </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>Don't kid yourself .. few people here even understand the dynamics 
behind all that is Internet. If they did they would be doing everything in 
their power to reduce their dependence on the net.<BR><BR>As for terms like 
stability, interoperability and security, these are all ICANN buzz words that 
mean nothing and say even less.<BR><BR>If indeed something so simple as 
security was an issue at hand we would have a statement by now on what the hell 
is happening with the I root server in Beijing. But I digress 
...<BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>I would include you, Jeff and Eric in this group of 
people.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>You right - I know my stuff. However kissing my ass is an 
inappropriate process of appeal as I find such protestations 
offensive.<BR><BR>If you value my opinion then make sure your ICANN buddies 
provide us the power to vote. That will fix the GA mess you 
created.<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>You have the knowledge but the shame is that you choose to 
use it in a destructive way.&nbsp; 
</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>No - nor is there any evidence on the GA this is the case .. and if 
you feel otherwise ... please provide supporting evidence.<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>This is why the GA will never work again.&nbsp; 
</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>The GA will work when ICANN respects it's authority as mandated and 
gives us back the power to vote and elect a chair.<BR><BR>I also remind you 
!Dr. Garside that you sole intent was to close the GA. You made that clear in 
one of your messages when you went a bit nutty over the Patrick Jones 
affair.<BR><BR>So I'm not altogether sure this appeal can be interpreted as 
having your support. But if you are true in wanting the GA to work the solution 
is in giving us the power to elect our own chair. <BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>Until people like you decide to play with the home team 
there is no hope for the GA.&nbsp; 
</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>Play on the home team? Theres a home team? Who's on the home 
team?<BR><BR>Debbie you let the home team know that if they want me to play 
with them there's a minimum retainer involved. Unlike some people here I don't 
bend over and get screwed for free. Pass it on.<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>Unfortunately, what you don't realise, is that you are 
playing right into ICANN's hands.&nbsp; 
</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>No I disagree. In fact your evidence of that when you participated in 
the Patrick Jones cover-up against the GA. <BR><BR>I !Dr. Garside am a constant 
remind to people here that ICANN is nothing more then bureaucratic nonsense and 
that it does not work. Over the years pretty well all my statements and 
predictions have been bang on the money. <BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>ICANN can quite rightly say that they have a General 
Assembly that anyone may participate in.&nbsp; 
</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>They do. It is called the GA or General Assembly and anyone is 
welcomed to participate here.<BR><BR>However ICANN also refuses to provide us 
with the mechanisms required to empower the GA in the hopes we will someday die 
off. Didn't work - did it !Dr. Debbie.<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>The fact that no one does is down to the likes of you, 
Jeff and Eric and maybe one or two more.&nbsp; 
</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>If people choose to be silent thats their business. This is a General 
Assembly of people without the power to elect their own chair. Of course it's 
going to be a bit rancorous. That is the nature of assemblies denied their 
rights.<BR><BR>If you want to change that then speak to your buddies at ICANN 
(the team) and have them return to us our voting rights.<BR><BR>And once again 
I encourage you to run for dictator of the General Assembly. If people agree 
with your dictatorial stance on the GAs administration they can vote you 
in.<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>You make it easy for ICANN to ignore the general public as 
nothing tangible ever comes out of this forum.&nbsp; 
</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>Oh but it does. Although the Palmer nonsense is trying people are 
learning there are better methods of running the Internet. I've had calls from 
people who are experimenting with their own roots as a result of my 
postings.<BR><BR>It's good stuff. And also with respect to the INAIC / 
Unifiedroot / Worldroot scam discussions this group helps get out the word. 
After all ICANN has proven it refuses to protect people from these domain scams 
- <A href="http://bit.ly/bop9ju"; target=_blank>http://bit.ly/bop9ju</A> - but 
we can and we do. <BR><BR>The GA provides an invaluable service to the Internet 
community. Even if we are powerless people still have a voice 
here.<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>Why don't you try to put your knowledge to good 
use?</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>I did. I created INAIC - the most successful public root DNS service 
outside of ICANN. Of course I shut it down when it began to look like a one man 
(Herman Xennt) version of ICANN. My work will not be corrupted.<BR><BR>However 
the basic business plan worked great - everyone at ICANN knows that.<BR><BR>And 
I also provide occasional comments and advise here. And my comments have 
remained consistent over the years. Many moons ago I was asked to consult on a 
Presidential proposal to FIX ICANN. I was asked the question is there any way 
to fix ICANN. My answer was a simple "NO". Nothing has changed 
since.<BR><BR>Now to focus back on the GA ... if you ask me the question, "Is 
there any way to fix the GA"? My answer would be "YES - give us back the power 
to vote". Pass that on !Dr. Debbie - it's good advice.<BR><BR>regards<BR>joe 
baptista<BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV class=im><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> [mailto:<A 
href="mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Joe 
Baptista<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=im><B>Sent:</B> 30 April 2010 16:08<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=im><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR><B>Cc:</B> <A 
href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] This 
list.....<BR></DIV></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=im>
<DIV></DIV>I may be wrong Debbie. Maybe ICANN didn't give you a cookie. But I 
clearly remember you being appointed or posted to some IDN working group. Am I 
mistaken?<BR><BR>cheers<BR>joe<BR><BR>p.s. when you get your doctorate - let me 
know and I'll add you to the doctorQ. <BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Debbie Garside <SPAN 
dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="mailto:debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Joe 
wrote:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT 
face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>"But you did. After you resigned as 
list monitor what committee were you appointed to? You can answer that one for 
us."</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>I have not&nbsp;been appointed to&nbsp;any ICANN 
committees.&nbsp; I am too busy with my PhD.&nbsp;&nbsp;Imagine that... I will 
be able to call myself&nbsp;Dr. Debbie... Gosh... I really will fit in well 
here with all you other Doctors </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>;-)</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3>Debbie</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><BR></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A href="http://publicroot.info"; 
target=_blank>publicroot.info</A>@<A href="http://gmail.com"; 
target=_blank>gmail.com</A> [mailto:<A href="mailto:publicroot.info@xxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>publicroot.info@xxxxxxxxx</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Joe 
Baptista<BR><B>Sent:</B> 29 April 2010 13:23<BR><B>To:</B> <A 
href="mailto:debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> 
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR><B>Cc:</B> <A href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] This 
list.....<BR></DIV></DIV></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Debbie Garside <SPAN 
dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="mailto:debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Joe 
wrote:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>"<FONT 
face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>She must be a good negotiator - she 
has been well rewarded. "</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>How 
so?&nbsp; As far as I know I have not received any rewards, inducements, 
incentives or anything else you would like to accuse me of whilst I was List 
Monitor.&nbsp; I have not&nbsp;received any rewards either prior to or since - 
just in case you were wondering :-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>But you did. After you resigned as list monitor what committee were 
you appointed to? You can answer that one for us.<BR>&nbsp;<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It would 
seem that people here miss my style of&nbsp;"dictatorship".&nbsp; 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>If you feel thats the case - then run for chair. Any support you think 
you have will be tabulated in the votes.<BR><BR>As for the above statement - I 
hope your not begging me again to be list monitor. You made a farce of this 
list - it's rules and processes - and the agreements we had between us plus 
chair<BR><BR>A ruling was made that the allegations by an icann staff member 
(Patrick I think it was) were vexatious. You overruled our decision and made a 
farce of it all. So you have lost my trust.<BR><BR>But you may very well be 
right. This place may need a dictatorship. Let's vote.<BR><BR>Speak to your 
ICANN masters - just follow the leash from collar to hand - tell them to give 
us our voting rights and provide the facilities to vote - and you can offer 
yourself up as Chair.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I have to 
say, I don't read this list very often, and I don't miss it 
either.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>I bet you read it all the time ... late at night ... under the covers 
... while pacing yourself with chatroulette. Just kidding ;)<BR><BR>Seriously 
Debbie. I think the stunt you pulled as monitor and the small morsel you got 
back for it was not worth the effort.<BR><BR>You made it very clear back then 
your intent was to kill the GA. It didn't work. But as Chair you may be able to 
swing it.<BR><BR>kindest regards<BR>joe baptista<BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Debbie</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> [mailto:<A 
href="mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Joe 
Baptista<BR><B>Sent:</B> 29 April 2010 03:25<BR><B>To:</B> ken 
stubbs<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] This 
list.....<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Ken. What a pleasure to see you speak up. There must be a fire 
somewhere.<BR><BR>Your someone who is very close to ICANN. Tell them we need 
them to provide their side of the bargain and give us our right to vote back. 
You want a civil forum - we need an election.<BR><BR>Also I have lost complete 
faith with ICANN since the Debbie incident. She must be a good negotiator - she 
has been well rewarded. I'm glad in fact that is the case because she did a 
good job of showing everyone on the GA what a dictatorship would be like under 
debbie. Thank God she resigned. Did you engineer that bit of 
nonsense.<BR><BR>Anyway ... send it up the pipe. Time for an 
election.<BR><BR>regards<BR>joe baptista<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:22 PM, ken stubbs <SPAN 
dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="mailto:kstubbs@xxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>kstubbs@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 
0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR>Ken Stubbs wrote:<BR><BR>I 
have been a subscriber to this list for almost 12 years now and 
have<BR>seen<BR>the value diminsh significantly because of threads like this 
one..<BR><BR>Its sad to see a forum for discussion, (purportedly ICANN 
related),<BR>degenerate<BR>to this level.<BR><BR>Hopefully subscribers can 
still find some value in it, but, I am<BR>rapidly losing hope that<BR>this goal 
is attainable..<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 4/28/2010 2:26 PM, Thomas Baxter 
wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;AHA<BR>&gt;- Here you can see more of joes lieing - Joe send 
an e-mail to this law<BR>&gt;&gt;person and TELLS the law person that HE (joe) 
is thinking that some<BR>&gt;laws are<BR>&gt;&gt;broke and impys this to the 
law person.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;The law person being political, wants to say 
"YES, HUMMM HUMMM" and not<BR>&gt;&gt;contredect some member of the public and 
then tell joe that if there is<BR>&gt;a criminal<BR>&gt;&gt;that ok, to call 
the police.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Notice that the law person DID NOT SAY THAT THEY 
AGREED OR KNOWS ANY<BR>&gt;&gt;INDEPENDENCE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS - ONLY THEY 
LISTEND TO JOES VERSION<BR>&gt;&gt;AND RELYED ON THIS 
ONLY.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Do you all see the nature of this scams from Joe - do 
you see how he<BR>&gt;trys to<BR>&gt;&gt;lie and fool all persons? He tries to 
make you think that the person<BR>&gt;WAS SAYING<BR>&gt;&gt;THAT THERE IS A 
BROKE LAW AND CRIMINALS AND AGREES WITH JOE - THAT<BR>&gt;&gt;IS 
**********NOT************** AT ALL WHAT THE POLITICIEN SAID -<BR>&gt;&gt;READ 
THIS CAREFULY 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;BEWARE.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;BAX!
 Names Allentown<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- 
<BR>Joe Baptista<BR><BR><A href="http://www.publicroot.org"; 
target=_blank>www.publicroot.org</A><BR>PublicRoot 
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target=_blank>www.publicroot.org</A><BR>PublicRoot 
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<P>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 
294k members/stakeholders and growing, strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the 
greatest freedom" -<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go 
with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the accident of 
glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P; the injury, 
L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L 
multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. 
Carroll Towing&nbsp; (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 
1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated
 1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. 
div. of<BR>Information Network Eng.&nbsp; INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good 
standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Phone: 
214-244-4827<BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>
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