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[ga] Re: [WHOIS-WG] Contacts' responsibilities and Public Suffixes

To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>, Patrick Vande Walle <patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, icann-board@xxxxxxxxx, jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ga] Re: [WHOIS-WG] Contacts' responsibilities and Public Suffixes
From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:21:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>Carlton and all,</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp; The "Unseemly wink and nod" by ICANN officials and some of their 
Registries is </P>
<P>a Stallworth of ICANN and has been nearly sense the beginning of 
ICANN.&nbsp; To</P>
<P>expect meaningful change for the better with regards to Whois or many 
other</P>
<P>ICANN adopted policies is folly.<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 
2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Carlton Samuels 
<CARLTON.SAMUELS@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Apr 25, 2010 3:52 PM <BR>To: Patrick Vande 
Walle <PATRICK@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: whois-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
<BR>Subject: Re: [WHOIS-WG] Contacts' responsibilities and Public Suffixes 
<BR><BR><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif"><SPAN 
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: large">Where I come from, it is a 
futile exercise to collect - or cause to be collected - disseminate and store 
invalid data. So, can we agree that if WHOIS data is to be worth more than a 
warm bucket of spit, it ought to be valid?</SPAN></FONT> 
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif"><SPAN 
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: large"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif"><SPAN 
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: large">And can we further agree that 
if we conscientiously believe data validity is tangential, then conscience and 
reason demand its removal from the ICANN registrar 
contracts?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif"><SPAN 
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: large"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif"><SPAN 
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: large">This would be the honest 
approach since it relieves ICANN of being fingered for noncompliance with its 
own rules, itself grist for charges of lax accountability and 
transparency.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif"><SPAN 
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: large"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif"><SPAN 
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: large">At least those of us on the 
edge would be unburdened of this unseemly "wink and nod". &nbsp;</SPAN></FONT> 
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif"><SPAN 
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: large"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif"><SPAN 
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: large">Carlton 
Samuels</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Patrick Vande Walle 
<SPAN dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="mailto:patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>On 24 Apr 2010, at 15:54, Carlton Samuels wrote:</DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: large"><FONT face="'comic sans 
ms', sans-serif">Collecting the data you suggest may have laudable objectives 
but I really think we should keep the required WHOIS dataset as skinny as it is 
currently.</FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>Additionally, SSL certs include a warranty against fraudulous use of 
$250k. &nbsp;Hence, no serious CA would dare to offer such a warranty based on 
unverified information from the WHOIS.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>They do manual, out-of-band checks, and this does have a price: SSL certs 
cost anything between $500 to $3000 . These manual checks allow them to 
guarantee the information they have about the company asking for the 
certificate is correct.</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: large"><FONT face="'comic sans ms', 
sans-serif">IMHO, what we should insist on is that registrars diligently 
collect and record it. &nbsp;And that it is validated from time to time by 
ICANN as a means to enforce its contract.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>Yes we should expect registrars to make the same checks as the SSL CA's . 
Only they should do it for $15/yr, or else the customer will go to a 
competitor.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>What I mean is that those people who expect the WHOIS data to be accurate 
never explained how and who should bear the cost of the additional checks 
required. The SSL market shows it can be done, but the price tag is way 
higher.&nbsp;</DIV>
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 clear=all><BR>-- <BR>+========+++++++++++++++======<BR>Carlton A 
Samuels<BR>Strategies for Education Technologies and Curriculum Development, 
Process Engineering &amp; Improvement, ICT Policy, Internet Governance<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 
294k members/stakeholders and growing, strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the 
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multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. 
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