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Re: [ga] List censorship and publications Emergency Provisions

  • To: Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, Elisabeth Porteneuve <elisabeth.porteneuve@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Subject: Re: [ga] List censorship and publications Emergency Provisions
  • From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:37:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00)

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<P>Eric and all,</P>
<P>&nbsp; Execellent dicision Eric.&nbsp; You have my full support.&nbsp; This 
decision serves well openness</P>
<P>and transparency as in accordance with the MOU, international practice and 
<P>and the current Obama administrations policy accordingly.<BR><BR><BR></P>
2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Hugh Dierker 
<HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Sep 24, 2009 11:40 AM <BR>To: Elisabeth 
Porteneuve <ELISABETH.PORTENEUVE@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Joe Baptista 
<BAPTISTA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: GA <GA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Jeff Williams 
<JWKCKID1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, George Kirikos <GKIRIKOS@xxxxxxxxx>, "ICANN Gen. 
Council" <GENERAL-COUNSEL@xxxxxxxxx>, Rod Beckstrom <ROD_BECKSTROM@xxxxxxxxx>, 
Avri Doria <AVRI@xxxxxxx><BR>Subject: Re: [ga] List censorship and publications 
Emergency Provisions <BR><BR>
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<DIV>In that the ICANN staff has taken over the control of the publication of 
the GA list the following provisions will be not enforced until further 
<DIV>1. No posting limits</DIV>
<DIV>2. No requirements of On topic</DIV>
<DIV>3. No and I mean no content monitoring</DIV>
<DIV>4. Cross posting must be encouraged in order to assure accuracy and more 
important, timeliness.</DIV>
<DIV>These actions must be taken in that we now have complete proof that ICANN 
is censoring and republishing the posts made to this list.&nbsp; We cannot be 
responsible for publications made by another. All posts made hereafter must be 
considered as ""submitted" to Kent Crispin for publication. Monitors here and 
the chair cannot endorse or accept what ICANN through their agent Kent Crispin 
publishes and perhaps more important what he does not.</DIV>
<DIV>For a full legal explanation of these actions please refer to Jones &amp; 
Day public opinions on the practice of monitoring and censoring lists.&nbsp; 
Pursuant to those published opines we relinquish all publication rights to 
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 9/24/09, Joe <SPAN>Baptista</SPAN> 
<I>&lt;baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Joe Baptista 
&lt;baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [ga] List censorship and 
publications<BR>To: "Elisabeth Porteneuve" 
&lt;elisabeth.porteneuve@xxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Cc: "Hugh Dierker" 
&lt;hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx&gt;, "GA" &lt;ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;, "Jeff Williams" 
&lt;jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;, "George Kirikos" &lt;gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx&gt;, 
"ICANN Gen. Council" &lt;general-counsel@xxxxxxxxx&gt;, "Rod Beckstrom" 
&lt;rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx&gt;, "Avri Doria" &lt;avri@xxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Date: 
Thursday, September 24, 2009, 8:42 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv1205866721>ok folks - watch as the bullshit and excuses fly.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Elisabeth Porteneuve 
<SPAN dir=ltr>&lt;<A 
 target=_blank rel=nofollow 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 
0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Greetings,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>greeting to you to elisabeth - long time no tango.<BR>&nbsp;<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 
0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><BR><BR>I think I 
understand what Eric/Hugh says, and recall explanation given to me by Kent 
Krispin a couple (5?) of years ago.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>ok - she's getting us ready for the bull.<BR>&nbsp;<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 
0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><BR><BR>There is no 
censorship, but very inconvenient rule, that GA archives do not update 
immediately, but a couple of hours later (2 or 4, do not 
<DIV><BR>No - there is active censorship as per the chairs original 
explanation. This is an old trick used by the BWG to keep decent at bay without 
the decenter knowing he was being censored. It is a lot of work to do and if 
the chair, myself and other are being subjected to this very costly censor - 
we'll it's a clear indication we have something to say a minority does not want 
to be heard.<BR><BR>The way it works is that a group of people are on an 
insiders list. This is a list of people who communicate with and receive 
communications from the censored party. Another list contains all the people 
who will not see the censored parties posts - the majority. Jaap is an example 
of a person on the list who can communicate and receive the censored parties 
communications.<BR><BR>A game is played against the censored parties in which 
certain messages are posted and certain messages are not. Richard Sexton knows 
best how to explain the workings and mechanics of this scheme. I have already 
conducted an audit and have verified Hugh concerns are valid.<BR>&nbsp; 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 
0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR>Look on attached PDF with 
archives as at 24sep09 11:58 Paris local time. I already received Jaap's 
message (quoted below), whilst his message does not show yet in 
<DIV><BR>blah blah blah.<BR><BR>We know which list your on 
Elisabeth.<BR><BR>and more blah blah<BR>&nbsp;<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 
0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><BR><BR>I do not know why 
Kent did it, neither his explanation why, it was very inconvenient for me at 
that time and still is. I prefer much more read archives (messages recorded in 
chronological order), than my mailbox (do not necessary have time to do it 
live, furthermore at the end point it may happen the order is not 
chronological, depending on SMTP and firewall's rules).<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>blah blah blah.<BR><BR>regards<BR>joe baptista<BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 
0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><BR><BR>Kind 
regards,<BR>Elisabeth Porteneuve<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From: 
Hugh Dierker<BR>To: GA ; joe Babtista ; Jeff Williams ; George Kirikos ; ICANN 
Gen. Council ; Rod Beckstrom ; Avri Doria<BR>Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 
6:32 AM<BR>Subject: [ga] List censorship and publications 
<DIV class=im><BR><BR><BR>Please take notice that on todays GA mailing list I 
posted 4 posts. All are archived but none were published.<BR><BR>It is clear 
that the manager of this list is in the publishing business and all rights and 
obligations should attach thereto. Including liabilities and 
insurance.<BR><BR>If I am wrong on this assessment I stand ameniable to 
retraction.<BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaap 
Akkerhuis" &lt;jaap@xxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>To: "Hugh Dierker" &lt;<A 
target=_blank rel=nofollow 
"GA" &lt;<A 
target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;; "joe Babtista" 
target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;; "Jeff 
Williams" &lt;<A 
target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;; "George 
Kirikos" &lt;<A 
target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx";>gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;; "ICANN Gen. 
Council" &lt;<A 
target=_blank rel=nofollow 
"Rod Beckstrom" &lt;<A 
target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx";>rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;; "Avri 
Doria" &lt;<A href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=avri@xxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:avri@xxxxxxx";>avri@xxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>Sent: Thursday, September 
24, 2009 10:50 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [ga] List censorship and 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 
0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<DIV class=im><BR>&nbsp; Please take notice that on todays GA mailing list I 
posted 4<BR>&nbsp; posts. All are archived but none were 
<DIV class=im>I see all your posts all the time. I advice you to check your 
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