Re: [ga] RE: AS Chair Call for position on elections

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hmm.  In that it is clear that the GNSO council has never ever gone on record 
as participating in any concept of "moderation" of the GA list, this statement 
probably is hedging on misleading -- not in intention but in practice.
 
Myself, JW and Joe Babtista were all moderated off this list.  No one outside 
of this list -  took any responsibility for such action.  It was taken in 
direct violation of our list rules in that the chair in no uncertain terms made 
clear there were to be no suspensions or removals.
 
I do not believe there is any concept of Moderation that is done in secret or 
without accountability.  I have asked 100 times "who in the GNSO moderates this 
list?"

--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] RE: AS Chair Call for position on elections
To: "Ga" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 11:52 AM



Hi,

The GNCO Council resolution that refers to acknowledging the charter is 
resolution 20070906-2 
(http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/minutes-gnso-06sep07.shtml).  In the motion 
GNSO encouraged the list's movement toward self moderation and supported the GA 
List in implementing the mailing list rules.  In that motion the GNSO Council 
declined any role in the internal governance of an organizational movement on 
the GA List at that time and restricted the council's actions to issues 
concerning the moderation of the GA List as determined by the by-laws.

Thanks

a.



On 5 Aug 2009, at 11:23, Debbie Garside wrote:

> Extract from the GA List Rules:
> 
> ELECTION AND FUNCTIONS OF THE CHAIR
> 
> The Chair shall be elected for a term of one year and may be re-elected for a 
> further one year term but must not serve more than 3 terms in succession.
> 
> An election is usually held near the end of the term of office for the chair 
> of the General Assembly. The exact time is decided by the outgoing Chair and 
> the Chair of the GNSO.
> 
> The election process starts when the GA Secretariat announces that 
> nominations are open.
> 
> All nominations and endorsements are made public.
> 
> Nominees for the Chair are sent to an email address provided by the 
> Secretariat.
> 
> The nomination period shall be at least one week.
> 
> After the close of the nomination period, endorsements for the candidates are 
> sent to an email address provided by the Secretariat.
> 
> The endorsement period shall be at least one week.
> 
> Before the end of the endorsement period, candidates that wish to be 
> considered for the post must have sent in an acceptance of the nomination.
> 
> All candidates who have accepted the nomination, and have at least two 
> endorsements from subscribers to the GA mailing list are considered 
> candidates.
> 
> Note: Candidates are allowed to endorse themselves. Members can endorse 
> multiple candidates.
> 
> Before the start of the election, the (outgoing) Chair selects at least 3 
> people who are not candidates to act as an election oversight committee. The 
> watchdogs agree with the Chair and the GNSO Chair the voting mechanism to be 
> employed and receive full details of the voting mechanism and oversee all 
> votes. The names of the election committee are to be public.
> 
> Voting is secret; only the secretariat and the committee will be allowed to 
> see the votes.
> 
> Each subscriber to the General Assembly mailing list receives one vote.
> 
> Subscribers must have been members with at least 5 postings to the list, at 
> least 90 days prior to the call for an election. The election period shall be 
> at least 14 days.
> 
> The elected Chair shall act as the titular elected head of the GA. The Chair 
> shall serve as both exterior and interior spokesman for the GA.
> 
> The Chair shall act as arbiter of any disputes that are not directly governed 
> by the list rules.
> 
> The Chair can be removed by a majority of those voting for the GA. A new 
> Chair may be elected by a majority of those voting for the GA.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 05 August 2009 14:37
> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: AS Chair Call for position on elections
> 
> Debbie,
> I do not trust you but I do respect your acumen in process.
> 
> Please provide with your best methods for moving forward on an election.
> 
> Be mindful that upon resolution accepting our self governance the Council 
> artfully removed the pertainant sections relating to elections.
> 
> --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Forsooth, doth thou think'st thou may'st cease as Chair of the veritable GA
> if thou calleth an election!  Pray tell!  Why would'st thou think'st so!
> What say'st thou, O noble Chair?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
> > Sent: 04 August 2009 18:05
> > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; Debbie Garside
> > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> > Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> >
> > And pursuant to exactly what would you have me do this?
> >
> > ----------
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless mobile phone
> >
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "'Hugh Dierker'"
> > <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>,<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"'Glen de Saint
> > Géry'" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Tue, Aug 4, 8:34 AM +0100
> > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> > Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> > So Eric..
> >
> > You have heard from Avri that her term expires on the 30th of
> > October 2009.
> > I believe your term expired last year.  I would be grateful
> > if you could call an election as soon as possible.
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
> > Sent: 04 August 2009 02:21
> > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment:
> > Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> >
> >
> > Now I know you are just not paying attention.  I will try
> > again.  When did/does Avri's term expire? When does/did
> > Twomey's term, Dengate-Thrushs'
> > term expire?  When did/does the existing or 2000 BoD members'
> > term expire?
> >
> > For help and insight look up Karl's term and the term
> > boardsquatting.  You see my remaining as Chair is in the best
> > tradition of ICANN. Your unceromonious termination as a
> > monitor is also in the best tradition of ICANN.  As bad in
> > taste as this reference may be -- the only two of note who
> > left their posts in timely fashion are very much no longer with us.
> >
> >  By the way I believe JW has been reinstated. If this is
> > wrong perhaps Glen can tell us why she is directly violating
> > directives from the Council and acting unilaterally at
> > direction of other staff.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment:
> > Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> > To: "'Hugh Dierker'" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>,
> > ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "'Glen de Saint Géry'" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 2:26 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > Nice try!  I am, of course, referring to your term as Chair
> > of the GA - which has expired.  You should now consult with
> > the GA Secretariat and call an Election.
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@yah
> oo.com> ]
> > > Sent: 03 August 2009 22:06
> > > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> g> ; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; Debbie Garside
> > > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> > > Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> > >
> > > I am looking for the hidden humor.  It escapes me.
> > > Do we have a BoD CEO?  Is Avri still chair? Answer--All expired.
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless mobile phone
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does this mean that we should start afresh with a new Chair
> > too?  As I
> > > am sure you are aware, your term has expired.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now would be an excellent time to call for an election.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Debbie
> > >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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