Re: [ga] Weekly posting summary for ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Jeff,
What I want is totally relevant and thank you for asking. Bravo for directing 
this discourse back around to what is very important on the backbone side. But 
where the hell is Herndon?* And my goodness web infra in MDR - CA of all damn 
places- about 45 miles north of the Rose Canyon Fault and just about on top of 
the San Andreas. Clearly the dimilitarized zone of the Arctics or the Space 
Station would make a better locale. (at least for a 007 gig). Except for space 
trash and global warming.
 
Point is,, as you make clear -- It is the social, political and $$$$$ 
stabilization that really matters. And as you and I have argued many times over 
the years; The most stable conflaguration and confluence is where open and 
transparent meets public participation by stakeholders large and small.
 
Our roundtable anthro/theo/socio study last night centered on the compromises 
of Solomon. The dude started out with just one forbidden wife and kept going 
until he had about 700 and 300 concubines. Here they just compromise integrity 
by starting out banning you and Joe but they are ending up with no activity and 
no participation save a bunch of ho's, as Imas would say.(never me).The 
question must repeatedly be asked "Why in the hell did Hitler want to ban and 
burn the books?" The answer is history.

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] Weekly posting summary for ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 1:34 AM


Eric,

  Remember it is ICANN that wants to move to Genevia, not
the EU or the UN that is seeking ICANN nor is DOC/NTIA
seeking to release of have ICANN disolve its incorporation in
Calif. and therefor the US.  Ergo, the Root servers except those
under seperate contract between Networksolutions and DOC/NTIA,
can and would gladly be migrated or moved to Geneva.  Now is that
what you want?  Would that possibility be more inclusive?  I would say
not more inclusive to Americans, and far less secure.  BTW, who else
can compete with ICANN's controled Root server structure now?  Well
no one really, but there are other competators still barely surviving,
and
a few that are growing ever so gradually but still lack global
recognition
in comparison to ICANN's Root server structure.

  The real problem we have now in gaining a more competitive root
server structure is the global financial crisis, and a real interest
with
adaquate marketing reach and depth mathced up with the horses to
actually pull it off.  Remember the current 13 Legacy Root servers
have been around for 30+ years, and only in the past 8 to 10 have
we seen the kind of growth that was originally invisioned.  That would
not have happened without allot of US$ in the early stages just before
ICANN came into existance.  To repete that endevor in todays
financial enviorment would be far more expensive and difficult.
Still I think it's doable, but with a mix of very selective private
funding
and also very selective government funding, of which the US is unlikely
to pony up much if any at the moment.  However my company has
reserved some $600m( not enough ) for such a possibility.  The only
government partners currently interested are China, the UAE, Saudia
Arabia, and Quetar.  None or which are very good potential government
partners for such a venture.

Hugh Dierker wrote:

>
> Well Jeff, The puzzling part is that: Right now it is what they need
  to justify more gTLDs, Sept 30th, EU and UN challenges.  If they slow
  participation and interest then why more gTLDs? Why them instead of
  another more inclusive forum. Silly

  --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  wrote:


       From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
       Subject: Re: [ga] Weekly posting summary for
       ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
       To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, "DOC/NTIA ICANN
       Rep" <aheineman@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "GAC Rep"
       <ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
       Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Thomas Narten" <narten@xxxxxxxxxx>,
       "joe Babtista" <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "twomey@xxxxxxxxx"
       <twomey@xxxxxxxxx>, "Paul Levins" <paul.levins@xxxxxxxxx>,
       "Avri Doria" <avri@xxxxxxxx>, "2nd address Cheryl
       Langdon-Orr" <langdonorr@xxxxxxxxx>
       Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 6:46 PM

       Eric and all,

         Very good point!  I am sure it is missed by the GNSO
       chair, the
       GNSO council ( also a closed group ), and the ICANN staff.
       Openness
       and Transparency within ICANN is nonexistent, but Selective
       Censorship
       for various and largely undefined reasons is an ICANN
       hallmark.  Such
       an ethic is unreasonable IMO.

       Hugh Dierker wrote:

       >
       > Re-post of Michael's' letter follows) Lookie here Joe the
       numbers
         prove it. Ban a couple. Make threats. Name call those who
       disagree and
         the vast majority go away. But as we discussed 3-6 posts a
       week on any
         list is banner headlines for places such as atlarge and
       the "open" BC.
         Comments that are requested are way ooff, and I mean offf
       the charts
         as in, not there. I applied at the BC but have been
       rejected by
         silence. I reckon my business ain't their business and
       their ain't
         nonmybusyness. Got rejected by the Asians CZ I don't live
       there full
         time. Knocked out by NA cuz I'm in So Cal. I know two
       other guys did
         not have a place to call home. Not Joe and Jeff -- JC and
       my buddy
         with the Belly.

         --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Thomas Narten <narten@xxxxxxxxxx>
       wrote:


              From: Thomas Narten <narten@xxxxxxxxxx>
              Subject: [ga] Weekly posting summary for
       ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
              To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
              Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 9:53 PM


              Total of 6 messages in the last 7 days.

              script run at: Fri May 15 00:53:02 EDT 2009

                  Messages   |      Bytes        | Who

       --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------

              66.67% |    4 | 86.23% |    51149 |
       hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
              16.67% |    1 |  7.44% |     4411 | narten@xxxxxxxxxx

              16.67% |    1 |  6.34% |     3760 |
       terastra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

       --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------

              100.00% |    6 |100.00% |    59320 | Total


              Hugh - even the ombudsman is playing the game.  This
       started
              at the GA - an now look how far it has gotten.

              cheers
              joe baptista

              ---------- Forwarded message ----------
              From: Denise Michel<denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx>
              Date: Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:41 PM
              Subject: [At-Large] Respectful Online Communication
       and
              Behavior
              To: Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>, "Gomes, Chuck"
              <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Chris Disspain
       <ceo@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
              Louis Lee <louie@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Cheryl Langdon-Orr
              <cheryl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Steve Crocker
              <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, jun@xxxxxxxxxx, Janis Karklins
              <janis.karklins@xxxxxxxxx>, "council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
              <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, liaison6c
              <liaison6c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ccNSO Council
              <ccnso-council@xxxxxxxxxx>, At-Large Worldwide
              <at-large@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
              Cc: "policy@xxxxxxxxx" <policy@xxxxxxxxx>, Frank
       Fowlie
              <frank.fowlie@xxxxxxxxx>


              Dear ICANN Community Leaders and Members:

              ICANN's Ombudsman, Frank Fowlie, recently posted a
       web page
              on Respectful
              Online Communication and Behavior:

       <http://icann.org/ombudsman/respectful-communication-en.htm>.

              This page
              emphasizes the importance of respectful communication

              in ICANN, particularly
              in this phase of its development as an international
              organization:

              "Members of the community are asked to bear in mind
       that
              fellow community
              members, volunteers, stakeholders, and staff members
       are all
              deserving of
              considerate treatment.  Members of the community are
       asked
              to bear in mind
              that the diversity of thought, and diversity of
              participants, in this unique
              - bottom up - consensus driven - multilingual and
              multicultural organization
              is ICANN’s strength."

              ICANN's Standard of Behaviour also can be found on
       this
              page, and is
              included below for easy reference.

              I know some community leaders are discussing how to
       further
              encourage and
              enforce these standards within their community.
       Please
              don't hesitate to
              contact ICANN Staff if there is anything we can do to
       assist
              with this
              endeavor.

              Regards,
              Denise

              Denise Michel
              ICANN Vice President
              Policy Development
              policy-staff@xxxxxxxxx

              *ICANN EXPECTED STANDARDS OF BEHAVIOR*

              "Those who take part in ICANN multi-stakeholder
       process
              including Board,
              staff and all those involved in Supporting
       Organization
              and Advisory
              Committee councils undertake to:

              Act in accordance with ICANN's Bylaws. In particular,

              participants undertake
              to act within the mission of ICANN and in the spirit
       of the
              values contained
              in the Bylaws.

              Adhere to the conflict of interest policy laid out in
       the
              Bylaws.

              Treat all members of the ICANN community equally,
              irrespective of
              nationality, gender, racial or ethnic origin,
       religion or
              beliefs,
              disability, age, or sexual orientation; members of
       the ICANN
              community
              should treat each other with civility both face to
       face and
              online.

              Act in a reasonable and informed manner when
       participating
              in policy
              development and decision-making processes. This
       includes
              regularly attending
              all scheduled meetings and exercising independent
       judgment
              based solely on
              what is in the overall best interest of Internet
       users and
              the stability and
              security of the Internet's system of unique
       identifiers,
              irrespective of
              personal interests and the interests of the entity to
       which
              an individual
              might owe their appointment.

              Listen to the views of all stakeholders when
       considering
              policy issues.
              ICANN is a unique multi-stakeholder environment.
       Those who
              take part in the
              ICANN process must acknowledge the importance of all
              stakeholders and seek
              to understand their points of view.

              Work to build consensus with other stakeholders in
       order to
              find solutions
              to the issues that fall within the areas of ICANN's
              responsibility. The
              ICANN model is based on a bottom-up, consensus driven

              approach to policy
              development. Those who take part in the ICANN process
       must
              take
              responsibility for ensuring the success of the model
       by
              trying to build
              consensus with other participants.

              Act in accordance with ICANN policies.

              Protect the organization's assets and ensure their
       efficient
              and effective
              use.

              Act fairly and in good faith with other participants
       in the
              ICANN process."
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