RE: Re: [ga] Monthly Reports/No suspensions

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Golly gee danga, jiminey cricket.
 
I was just going to write you a thank you post for all your hard service to the 
GA. Your resignation is accepted with prejudice. I guess "welcome back" is in 
order.
 
I do feel badly that around here we call people on thier malfeasance. Maybe 
next time I will complain about ICANN Staff in private where it can cause real 
damage without recourse.
Did you know that according to the Davis/Bacon act, Mr. Jones must be treated 
as a US gov. federal employee. food for thought.
 
All possible pending suspensions are totally unequivically revoked, disgorged 
and not to be.
 
I am going to hike the San Francisco Peaks. I will think of all of you as I 
meditate at 12,400 or so feet. By turning 360 there I will see the Grand 
Canyon, Mexico, Death Valley and the painted desert. Then a bike ride, ski and 
ride down to Enchantment in Sedona Arizona at about 3300 feet.
 
Perhaps next week I will apply for that policy job at icann. Being a life 
member of the GA should put me in good stead.
 
I will tell jeff when I return from this persona, but first I will need to be 
suzie Q. for a while.
 
Tootles

--- On Sat, 4/18/09, Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Re: [ga] Monthly Reports
To: "'ga'" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 1:51 AM



My biggest mistake was in notifying the list that I had received a private 
complaint; I could and should have acted alone - my apologies to Patrick.  I 
stand by my decision to not name the complainant and hope that you can all now 
see that  I was justified in trying to protect him from just this sort of 
circus style behaviour from the resident trolls and sock puppets.  It truly is 
time to close this list. 
 
Question: are Hugh/Joe/Jeff all one person?  They seem to be.




From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Hugh Dierker
Sent: 18 April 2009 03:39
To: ga
Subject: Fw: Re: [ga] Monthly Reports






My apologies. I did not realize Mr. Jones could post directly through the list. 
I assumed wrongfully his post was direct and private. Clearly it would be wrong 
for me to keep my response private.

--- On Thu, 4/16/09, Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] Monthly Reports
To: "Patrick Jones" <patrick.jones@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 11:31 PM








Thank you Mr. Jones.
 
I am quite intrigued that you handled this manner in a less than open and 
transparent manner.  Behind the scenes manipulation of our process has long 
been more of a reason for problems here than open and honest debates regarding 
the issues.
An ICANN staffer that holds the GA in such disdain, usurping all proper 
channels of open communication is quite concerning. The clear hatred you have 
for JW was just too reflective in Ms. Garsides adamant behavior.
 
I apologize that our discourse here is not up to your professional standards. I 
must take some exception to your condescending tone and manner. Clearly our 
standards are far more morally acceptable than yours.
 
Your politics and interference here are quite unwelcome. As of a few hours ago 
you were not even a member. Ms. Garsides' lack of candor about being coerced by 
an ICANN staffer is equally appalling and disappointing. 
 
I am sure in your position you could do good work toward getting us polling and 
voting booths to allow us to more properly self govern. Instead you violate 
your mandate as an ICANN employee and surreptitiously use your position to 
silence public opinion and then shape it to your ends.
 
The Audits that George criticized will have to be scrutinized to the highest 
levels. It certainly appears that you have been trying to inappropriately 
squash any public inquiry into the same. Your relationship with dotCAT is now 
horribly suspect. Your quickly produced quick fix without explanation fits 
right in with this whole sordid mess.
 
Being called names by you begins to take on a mantle of respect. If you have 
such a hard time with our free speech and openness and candor, it says a great 
deal about you.
 
Hopefully those who recently complained we spent too much effort on this will 
not be so quick to rush to judgment, in the future. How many others working 
toward a better GA have been co-opted by a renegade employee of ICANN.
 
I will review my obligations regarding reporting this matter further.
 
I am greatly saddened to see first hand what so many claimed for so many years 
was happening to create a false reflection of public input into the ICANN 
process. Now all the public input that ICANN related to the US gov as being 
representative of that public is suspect.
--- On Thu, 4/16/09, Patrick Jones <patrick.jones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Patrick Jones <patrick.jones@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ga] Monthly Reports
To: "ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 10:18 PM


On 14 April George Kirikos noted a problem with the .CAT monthly report. I saw 
the message and wrote to George directly, informing him that the error would be 
corrected (which it was yesterday), and that he could pass along my response to 
the list.

What followed from that email has confirmed to me that the GA list – which is a 
legacy of something that ceased to exist a long time ago – has passed the point 
of a viable cross-constituency discussion list.

Jeff’s email was a personal attack, but I suppose that is nothing new because 
he’s been doing it for years, nothing ever gets done about it, and he’s usually 
ignored as I should have done. I thought this list had self-moderated and that 
Debbie was the proper person to address the issue. I thank Debbie for trying. 
I’ve been in this community a long time, and should know better than to even 
bother with this. But it did bother me, because I, and other staff, do try to 
be responsive to community concerns, even when they come from call corners of 
the community.

This will be the last time I engage this list. There are many great ways to 
communicate and participate in public discussion, on issues of importance 
relating to the Internet and its unique identifiers. This is not one of them.

Patrick