Re: [ga] When does the ICANN vote on how to theif the TLDS

["Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Eric and all,

  Of course your right here.  But it seems, at the like of Google and
Yahoo, there are folks that believe that they have the right and
privilage to tell you how to think, and if you don't think that way, or
demonstrate accordingly in certain instances, than you will suffer
significant ramifications, such as being banned from every using the
Internet, having  your PC comfiscated, and not being allowed to ever
own one ever again, ect., ect.  For instance see:
Chrome EULA Reserves the Right To Filter Your Web
 http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=09/04/04/234208
Perhaps they are expressly endowed with a divine right,
and omnipitant wisdom and judgment, to presume to do so.

  May god save the Republic from such notions...

  Now mind you, I am all for cleaning up the Internet to the
extent possible and reasonable.  But some organizations/corps.
desire to use such a notion to go to the extremes and do so
under the color of contract law.  Such a notion is extrodinary
IMO in accordance with MY Constitution and Bill or Rights.
Ergo, I refuse to use such services unless they meet exactly
my prefrences and in accordance with sound Constitutional
and Bill of Rights parctices set forth there unto.

  My, my, Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Monroe, Henry,
and Eaton must be looking down upon us and can only weep
and curse profusely.

  So the old phrase of "Read the fine print" has new and
revived meaning and importance.  To me however the
older phrase of "Dont tread on me" carries my feelings
far more appropriately.


Hugh Dierker wrote:

>
> Certainly there are no archives prior to 1999. Those were
  destroyed.Certainly ICANN has no license to give ownership rights to a
  TLD or for that matter a single domain name. Hell who would they get
  from? Sometimes these genius IP type lawyers forget the initial
  premise. (As with all governmental claims, the initial premise is that
  the King can do wrong - unless he says he can.)Here the initial
  premise is and must always be: No one can own a thought. They seem to
  think the initial premise is: We own it unless we say we don't. This
  is why I think Palmer and his ilk are so important to the continued
  growth, innovation and maturity of the internet. (note, I leave
  Fleming and Babtista out of it. hihihihi)

  --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  wrote:

       From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
       Subject: Re: [ga] When does the ICANN vote on how to theif
       the TLDS
       To: hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
       Cc: "POST-TO GNSO LIST" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Thomas Baxter"
       <baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx>, "FTC IP marketplace comments"
       <IPMarketPlace@xxxxxxx>, "FTC OIG's office" <OIG@xxxxxxx>,
       "GAO Greg Kutz" <kutzg@xxxxxxx>, "GAO Linda Koontz"
       <koontzl@xxxxxxx>, "GAO sec Greg Wilshusen"
       <wilshuseng@xxxxxxx>
       Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 7:32 PM


       Eric and all,

       Comprende muy bien!  Pero, esta es no esta bien, es muy malo.

         ICANN does not really have the legal right to whom has what TLD,
       even though they have been granting same via some yet to be legally
       defined
       or even well excepted process to appear to be ordained to do so.  To
       date and sense 1996, only Network solutions has exclusive "Rights"
       to any TLD, via government contract agreement that is still extant.

         As such to the above, Domain Names, which are associated with
       a TLD are not actually owned, but rather leased, which is why a
       registrant pays a fee for such.  This yet again begs the question
       is a Domain Name Tradmarkable, which implies, but does not
       guarantee ownership of that Domain Name if successfully Trademarked
       by USPTO or another governments in the case of a ccTLD, equivalent.

         But to make another long story and road short, haven't many of us
       been down this road before?  I believe we have, perhaps that was
       before your involvement Eric?  None the less the archives of such
       are available for verification and would be prima fascia evidence
       should the need or desire arise.  I also have an exact independent
       archived copy of same should ICANN's mysteriously disappear or
       be "Inadvertently" deleted or "creatively Edited", as has
       happened
       on this forums archives by our old friend Kent Crispin by his own
       admission as I recall.

         The history here may be lengthy, strained, and convoluted, but
       can be, and has many times been traced with very good accuracy
       which again would be of evidentiary quality.

         Mr. Baxter's frustration and anger/disgust is surely justified, but
       misdirected.

       Hugh Dierker wrote:

       >
       > Goodness gracious good sir! Things are not done that way here. Soiled
         dirty acts like thieving are not done by ICANN at all. The theory
         being; that if you do not enforce policies and implement standards
         then the cannibal pariah concept comes into full play. Think of this:
         We all say that we must go to work and make money. When in fact we all
         go to work and take money. Earning money and rightful ownership are
         really quite irrelevant.The TLD program works on the basis that you
         take what you can get. You simply cannot steal what neither belongs
         to, nor is rightfully someone elses. Now give me your/my watch
         damn-it. Comprende?

         --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

              From: Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx>
              Subject: [ga] When does the ICANN vote on how to theif the
              TLDS
              To: "POST-TO GNSO LIST" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
              Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:12 PM

              So at which meeting will ICANN make the vote to steal
              everyone elses T.L.Ds? Is that
              coming in this summer?

       >
       Vaya con dios,

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>
Regards,

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   Abraham Lincoln
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"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
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