Re: [ga] [Fwd: Re: Susan Crawford :::: a reason to give it anothergo??

["Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Eric and all,

  I see and understand you larger point and agree.  It is indeed true
that unless you are a "ICANN member" whatever that actually is
or means, your input is largely but not entirely diminished if not
entirely ignored accordingly.  This leaves the vast majority of
stakeholders, most especially independent Domain Name
holders and common users shut out of the process or extremely
limited in ongoing participation in various ICANN created
venues such as the NARALO or the ALAC.  This leaves
only the GA for such participation, which is not an official ICANN
entity nor has a vote on the Bod or the GNSO.  Such hardly is
representative or in keeping with the MOU.

  As you know Eric, Susan is and has been in the past fully aware
of the lack of public participation and the efforts however indirect,
have been thwarted or outright denied for whatever reason.  Hence
my skeptitism of Susan's addition to the Admin's. team in being
considerate of same.

Hugh Dierker wrote:

>
> Clearly there was jesting regarding friends and enemies. I generally have 
> neither.But after
  nearly a decade on this list, oldtimers do seem like old family friends. My 
reference to
  Domainers and engineers was meant to be in the abstract of positions that are 
polar and result
  in personal arguments as opposed resolving issues by compromising and moving 
forward. The only
  thing I see in this new admin are either well weathered politicians of 
academics.(a bit on
  peppies preppies and ICANN evals in another post)But at least they will see 
what is going on
  ---- What they do, well perhaps we should try to influence. Although as we 
discussed, we have
  never seen ICANN actually influenced by public input.But again we hope maybe 
the admin will.

  --- On Wed, 3/25/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

       From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
       Subject: Re: [ga] [Fwd: Re: Susan Crawford :::: a reason to give it 
anothergo??
       To: hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
       Cc: "Ga" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
       Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 3:07 PM

       Eric and all,   I am not sure how your remarks are largely relevant to 
my forward
       of my comments and remarks to Susan's appointment to Barracks
       staff which I made to Seth and shared with the GA.   Further specific 
comments and
       remarks interspersed below. Hugh Dierker wrote:

      >
      >
        Friends and enemies,  (I kind of like that twist in this era of open 
dialog and
        getting along. Now I can really get up at a lunch and nonchalantly 
introduce as
        such; These are my friends Bill and Ike, and this is my good enemy 
Jeff) I find it
        difficult how you Eric could characterize me as you enemy. Obama 
through Crawford
        and her well educated, well experienced, extremely bright and caring 
people will
        bring more light onto/into ICANN. And I must say that if people came 
and looked at
        the releases and statements of ICANN in a frozen point in time, now, it 
would
        really look "on paper" like they are really trying to do an O' grass 
roots
        renovation. Susan is indeed very bright, but is and has been largely 
based in
        academics
        and as such out of touch with the real world as she has little recent 
real
        world experiance, and I don't count ICANN as real world.
         Of course on closer reading they would see external Social (Danny) and 
Financial
        (George) audits that would make Madoff look cleaner than Vint or our 
Melbourne
        interloper ever did.   ICANN has been acting sense it's very beginning 
too much
        like a
        academic exercise, and too little like a non-profit.  That in an of 
itself
        does not and clearly has not lent itself to being a very positive 
organization.
        Social aspects of the Internet are important but are actually outside 
the
        scope of ICANN's responsibility and MOU mandate.   But this is only 
going to get
        bigger: 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090326/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_onlineI largely,
        along with many of our members, agree with Baracks answers
        and remarks in his observations, but there are a few areas where we
        disagree. Now,,, if the GA were to organize and present united and 
divided position
        papers on relevant issues de jour, I dare say they would catch an ear, 
perhaps an
        eye and quite possibly someones attention. But as always Domain name 
marketeers and
        egotistical engineers will probably muck or muckrake it up. Position 
papers on what
        exactly?  As the Chair, you have made precious
        few if any suggestions.  Hence such papers as you suggest have not
        been officially forthcoming.  I also see again that you distaste for
        professional engineers remains, and as such impeads progress from
        within the GA.  Domain Names should have never been treated as
        a comodity.  As such that they were and still are, the impact on several
        less than advantagious fronts has been nearly disastorous, yet as a
        part time marketeer myself, I have no truk with ethical marketing,
        and/or marketeering. Certainly due to the abundant proof of other 
methodologies
        failures, new constituencies and ALAC, an organized GA is worth another 
(yes yet
        another) revisit. Perhaps.  But only if openess and transparency are 
absolute. ---
        On Mon, 3/23/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

             From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
             Subject: [ga] [Fwd: Re: [A2k] Obama Taps(?) Susan Crawford and 
Kevin
             Werbach]
             To: "Ga" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
             Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 6:56 PM


             All,

               As an FYI

             -------- Original Message --------
             Subject: Re: [A2k] Obama Taps(?) Susan Crawford and Kevin Werbach
             Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:55:33 -0700
             From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
             Organization: IDNS and Spokesman for INEGroup
             To: seth.johnson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
             CC: ecommerce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, A2K@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,Cheryl
             Preston <prestonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
             References: <48804AFB.5E3A3E4B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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             <49C92355.57E8649C@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

             Seth and all,

               I wish I could joint you in your enthusiasm.  But unfortunately
             I cannot.  Yet it is mildly good to see Susan move on and into
             a better position that can have a significant impact.  ICANN
             is still after 10 years part of which Susan served, is a mess
             and getting worse.  So her impact while at ICANN was relatively
             not apparent in a positive direction.

             Seth Johnson wrote:

             > (Some of the best news I've heard yet from this administration, 
though
             > not quite official yet.  -- Seth)
             >
             > >
             
http://techdailydose.nationaljournal.com/2009/03/onewebday-founder-tapped-by-ob.php
             >
             > OneWebDay Founder Tapped By Obama
             >
             > Monday, March 23, 2009
             >
             > Internet law expert Susan Crawford has joined President Barack 
Obama's
             > lineup of tech policy experts at the White House, according to 
several
             > sources. She will likely hold the title of special assistant to 
the
             > president for science, technology, and innovation policy, they 
said.
             > Crawford, who was most recently a visiting professor at the 
University
             > of Michigan and at Yale Law School, was tapped by Obama's 
transition
             > team in November to co-chair its FCC review process with 
University of
             > Pennsylvania professor Kevin Werbach. Her official administration
             > appointment has not been formally announced. Crawford may be best
             > known for her work with the Internet Corporation for Assigned 
Names
             > and Numbers, the California-based nonprofit group that manages 
the
             > Internet address system. She served on ICANN's board for three 
years
             > beginning in December 2005. She also founded OneWebDay, a global 
Earth
             > Day for the Internet that takes place every Sept. 22. Crawford, 
a Yale
             > graduate, clerked for U.S. District Judge Raymond Dearie before
             > joining Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering where she worked until the 
end of
             > 2002.
             >
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