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  • Subject: [ga] [Fwd: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Comments on the ALAC response to the mid-termconsultation report]
  • From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:58:56 -0800

All,

  As an FYI

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Comments on the ALAC response to the
mid-termconsultation report
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:54:58 -0800
From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Organization: IDNS and Spokesman for INEGroup
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Wendy and all,

  The ALAC doesn't represent any significent number of users,
and you already know this.  Ergo, in part your response is
incorrect to that extent.  None the less the "Role" of the
ALAC such as it is, is as you correctly stated.

Wendy Seltzer wrote:

> I put my comments on a different wiki page which also claims to be the
> ALAC response:
> <https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?alac_statement_on_the_bgc_alac_review_mid_term_report_al_alac_st_1008_2>
>
> Regarding points 10 and 11, I think the case is overstated. ALAC is /an/
> appropriate channel for the voice and concerns of the individual
> Internet user, but because of its Advisory role, ALAC is not an
> effective route for participation in many policy-making processes.
> Opportunities for individuals and their representatives to participate
> in existing GNSO constituencies and new stakeholder groups are equally
> important. If other entities have the demonstrable support of
> representative groups of individuals, they are no less legitimate voices
> than the ALAC.
>
> Why do we have multiple pages with similar text?
>
> --Wendy
>
> Alan Greenberg wrote:
> > Admittedly at the last moment, I have a few comments on the draft
> > document
> > (https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_alac_response_to_the_mid_point_consultation_report).
> >
> >
> > Regarding the ICANN planning process and ALAC (Item 5), it is clear that
> > ALAC should be a part of the process, but at least a part (perhaps a
> > large part) of ALAC activities will continue to be demand driven, either
> > involvement with ongoing issues (see item 8) or activities driven by
> > issues that rise to the top of user priorities (such as Domain tasting
> > or the post-expiry redemption issue).
> >
> > Regarding involvement with the GNSO policy development process. I agree
> > that the ALAC must be invited to participate. It should not be REQUIRED
> > to, as there will always be numerous consultations that we decide our
> > not sufficiently important to our community to warrant the effort. This
> > is identical to the way Constituencies are treated within the GNSO.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
>
> --
> Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law
> Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html
> http://www.chillingeffects.org/
> https://www.torproject.org/
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