[ga] Re: [RAA-WG] Transparency required

["Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Marilyn,

  I suspect you already know that Icann@xxxxxxxxx is nothing
but a "Black Hole" generic Email address and postings to same
are routinely ignored or never read.  Nice try though!  So if you
would be so kind and considerate, please don't make such silly
suggestions to me again.

  Thank you for your consideration however nearly worthless,
uninformative
and ineffective it was/is.  I and our members would in the future,
appreciate
that such suggestions be more affirmative, productive, informative and
meaningful.

  As such as above, and as the spokesman and individual stakeholder,
I shall by our policy and my personal policy direct appropriate ICANN
related remarks, suggestions, and/or positions of same by our
organization
to any and all of ICANN officers as IS appropriate accordingly.

Marilyn Vernon wrote:

> Dear Jeffrey Williams,
>
> Thank you for your message regarding the RAA, It has been noted and
> immediately forwarded to the appropriate party for their handling. If
> you have further questions, comments or concerns you may send them to
> icann@xxxxxxxxx.
>
> Regards,
>
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>
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>
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>
> On 11/2/08 4:21 AM, "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>      Derek and all,
>
>        I for one agree fully here.  In fact the direct line phone
>      numbers
>      for the officers of the Registrar as well as personal
>      mailing addresses,
>      P.O. Boxes would be fine here, and addresses for legal
>      service
>      should also be required and publicly available on their Web
>      sites
>      in PLAIN VIEW.
>
>        But all this is nothing new to have been repeatedly
>      requested by
>      thousands of registrants, financial institutions, credit
>      card companies,
>      ect., ect., ad nausium.  This information has been requested
>      to be
>      plainly publicly available on these Registrars AND
>      Registries web
>      sites of nearly 5 years now.  Yet ICANN has refused along
>      with
>      the Registrars and Registries to make such an amendment to
>      the
>      RAA's accordingly, and DOC/NTIA hasn't insisted on this
>      strongly
>      enough either.  As a result hundreds of thousands of
>      Registrants
>      have been duped, misrepresented, double charged, unable to
>      get
>      the proper corrections to their registration information
>      effected, sufered
>      massive fraud and abuse without ability to redress, seen
>      whole Registrars
>      go under without even having a clue of those registrars
>      being in any
>      trouble.  Further still non-registrant users have had to put
>      up with
>      spam, phishing, duping, being sent unwanted child
>      poronography from
>      hijacked Domain names and/or IP addresses, and the list of
>      verious
>      other forms of fraud and abuse are nearly endless.  Such
>      demonstrates
>      that ICANN's leadership has been, and continues to be far
>      less than
>      ligitimate, let alone ethical.
>
>      And so the pyramid scheme that is ICANN sadly trudges on,
>      and now
>      the ALAC aids and abets/enables same to continue
>      unchallanged...
>
>      Derek Smythe wrote:
>
>      > Hi Everybody
>      >
>      > Please see http://www.knujon.com/news.html#11022008 - End
>      Registrar
>      > Secrecy - You Can Help!
>      >
>      > 'A review of the RAA is currently underway and KnujOn is
>      seeking that
>      > the following language (or equivalent) be added to the
>      RAA:
>      >
>      > "All Accredited Registrars must submit main office
>      location, including
>      > country, to be publicly disclosed in ICANN web directory.
>      Post Office
>      > boxes, Incorporation addresses, and mail-forwarding
>      locations will not
>      > be acceptable. Registrars must also provide for public
>      display the name
>      > of CEO or President. ICANN must be notified within 30 days
>      of a location
>      > or presiding officer change.â?Â? '
>      >
>      > I support this call for transparency. Registrants
>      certainly have the
>      > right to know who they are dealing with, where their
>      credit card details
>      > will go, who will be giving them support etc.
>      >
>      > I myself have had occasion to talk to a support team in
>      Eastern Europe
>      > for a domain that was not functioning, for a registrar
>      supposedly in the
>      > USA, then waiting for European day staff to arrive to
>      finally resolve
>      > the issue.
>      >
>      > Additionally, I would also like to know where to whom my
>      credit card
>      > details and other personal information will go if I
>      register a domain,
>      > certainly I have this right? As can be seen from the above
>      article on
>      > KnujOn, this is an extremely valid point.
>      >
>      > By the same token, I believe a similar version of the
>      above provision
>      > should apply to providers of privacy services. How can the
>      current RAA,
>      > item 3.7.7.3,  be applied without this information?
>      >
>      http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-17may01.htm#3.7.7.3
>
>      >
>      > Without this information, we will forever be fighting a
>      battle of smoke
>      > and mirrors, yet what is needed is trust and honesty.
>      >
>      > Thank you
>      >
>      > Derek Smythe
>      >
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>      Regards,
>
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>         Abraham Lincoln
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>      "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with
>      what is
>      very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>
>      "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the
>      burden, B;
>      liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied
>      by
>      P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
>      United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir.
>      1947]
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Regards,

Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
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Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
My Phone: 214-244-4827