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Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP

  • To: <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP
  • From: <chris@xxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:08:07 -0400


We agree on all points there. I know you added the oversight part by ICANN's staff. I only ignored that part because ICANN's staff will also ignore it.

Chris McElroy, NameCritic, Inc.
http://www.seoserviceprovider.com

----- Original Message ----- From: <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <twomey@xxxxxxxxx>; <avri@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP



Chris and all,

 Of course.  And this scenerio will not likely change
much by technical means alone which is WHY I suggested
additionally that oversite 24/7 by ICANN staff as well
as policy that prohibits such errant nonsense to prevent
Tasting be strictly enforced.  That being if Registries
and Registrars don't police their operations, than they
loose their accreditation. <full stop>

 Playing "Lets make a deal" so to speak will never
suffice for long, if at all initially.

 Danny said it right, if ICANN doesn't do it's
duty, than governments will and some already have
started to do so.  Government regulation will commence
in ernest if ICANN continues to do a lack luster job
of controling it's registries and registrars appropriately.

-----Original Message-----
From: chris@xxxxxx
Sent: Mar 28, 2008 9:30 PM
To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: twomey@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP


It will work like antivirus works. You make a program that detects and
removes viruses and they write new viruses. You write or build security into
your server and hackers find another way to get it. You technically try to
block scripts and techniques used by kiters and tasters and they write new
ones. The only difference being that ICANN and the registries will never
work as hard to keep the new viruses (Taster techniques) from working as the
antivirus people do with viruses.

Chris McElroy, NameCritic, Inc.
http://www.articlecontentprovider.com



----- Original Message ----- From: <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <twomey@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP



Chris and all,

 Of course what you suggest is indeed possible and
perhaps likely.  But do we really know that?  I
am not sure we do.  What we do know given the history
of poor oversight by ICANN staff, is that registrars
and registries will do whatever they wish with reletive
impunity unless ICANN takes direct, immediate and at times
drastic action such as  suspension or revocation of
Accreditation.  If such was enforced a few times, I
have little doubt that the technically avaliable solutions
will work just fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: chris@xxxxxx
Sent: Mar 28, 2008 10:19 AM
To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP


And for every limitation, they will create a workaround as with
everything.

Chris McElroy


----- Original Message ----- From: <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP



Ross and all,

 I agree that eliminating the AGP isn't necessary, but
niether is limiting it to 24 hrs.  A technical registration
software fix to disregard script registration attempts
and tracking multipul registrations transactions from the
same registrant as well as limiting the number of domain
name registrations per transaction to a fixed number, say
10, would do the trick IMO.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Rader <ross@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Mar 27, 2008 12:46 PM
To: chris@xxxxxx
Cc: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP


I think eliminating it is pretty harsh, but I agree with most of your
concerns with the current proposals. My preference would instead be to
limit the AGP to a very short period (i.e. less than 24 hours) so that
mistakes can still be fixed, but that the potential for abuse is kept
to an absolute minimum. Mistakes do happen, and speaking as someone
who inadvertently let loose a test script on the registry and
registered hundreds of useless names, I would like to keep the
potential to fix these types of mistakes when they occasionally
happen. I'm less concerned about fraud because this is something that
we can actively control through tight monitoring and screening of
credit cards, etc.

On Mar 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, <chris@xxxxxx> <chris@xxxxxx> wrote:
So do I. I think I hear a consensus stampeding toward us. Of course
this is just a bottom up consensus which ICANN has repeatedly
ignored in the past.

Chris McElroy

----- Original Message -----
From: John Palmer
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP

I have yet to hear of a valid reason for domain tasting. Karl is
correct. There should not be any refunds for domain
registrations at all for people who are repeat offenders. There
isn't any place for this nonsense as
it takes up valuable resources that no one gets paid for.

I support the call for elimination of the AGP as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Peters - TLDA
To: Dominik Filipp
Cc: domain-tasting-motion@xxxxxxxxx ; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP

       I heartily second the "call for Elimination of AGP" as posted
by Dominik Filipp and for reasons explained on the GA list in  the
past week and for reasons not yet even enumerated. No one has yet
spotlighted even one PROPER use of the domain tasting by a major
corporation in market study and the arguments for protection of
registrars from credit card fraud and the like are no more
compelling that ANY internet sales related company's difficulty.
Registrars who can not handle the business should drop out of it, as
in any other industry. What makes them special?

-Karl E. Peters

Regards,

Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
  Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very
often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability
depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div.
of
Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Phone: 214-244-4827



Regards,

Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
  Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very
often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability
depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div.
of
Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Phone: 214-244-4827



Regards,

Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
  Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very
often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability
depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of
Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Phone: 214-244-4827






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