Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP

[<chris@xxxxxx>]

And for every limitation, they will create a workaround as with everything.

Chris McElroy


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP


> Ross and all,
>
>  I agree that eliminating the AGP isn't necessary, but
> niether is limiting it to 24 hrs.  A technical registration
> software fix to disregard script registration attempts
> and tracking multipul registrations transactions from the
> same registrant as well as limiting the number of domain
> name registrations per transaction to a fixed number, say
> 10, would do the trick IMO.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ross Rader <ross@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Mar 27, 2008 12:46 PM
> > To: chris@xxxxxx
> > Cc: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP
> >
> >
> > I think eliminating it is pretty harsh, but I agree with most of your
> > concerns with the current proposals. My preference would instead be to
> > limit the AGP to a very short period (i.e. less than 24 hours) so that
> > mistakes can still be fixed, but that the potential for abuse is kept
> > to an absolute minimum. Mistakes do happen, and speaking as someone
> > who inadvertently let loose a test script on the registry and
> > registered hundreds of useless names, I would like to keep the
> > potential to fix these types of mistakes when they occasionally
> > happen. I'm less concerned about fraud because this is something that
> > we can actively control through tight monitoring and screening of
> > credit cards, etc.
> >
> > On Mar 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, <chris@xxxxxx> <chris@xxxxxx> wrote:
> > > So do I. I think I hear a consensus stampeding toward us. Of course
> > > this is just a bottom up consensus which ICANN has repeatedly
> > > ignored in the past.
> > >
> > > Chris McElroy
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: John Palmer
> > > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:27 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP
> > >
> > > I have yet to hear of a valid reason for domain tasting. Karl is
> > > correct. There should not be any refunds for domain
> > > registrations at all for people who are repeat offenders. There
> > > isn't any place for this nonsense as
> > > it takes up valuable resources that no one gets paid for.
> > >
> > > I support the call for elimination of the AGP as well.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Karl Peters - TLDA
> > > To: Dominik Filipp
> > > Cc: domain-tasting-motion@xxxxxxxxx ; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:16 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Elimination of AGP
> > >
> > >        I heartily second the "call for Elimination of AGP" as posted
> > > by Dominik Filipp and for reasons explained on the GA list in  the
> > > past week and for reasons not yet even enumerated. No one has yet
> > > spotlighted even one PROPER use of the domain tasting by a major
> > > corporation in market study and the arguments for protection of
> > > registrars from credit card fraud and the like are no more
> > > compelling that ANY internet sales related company's difficulty.
> > > Registrars who can not handle the business should drop out of it, as
> > > in any other industry. What makes them special?
> > >
> > > -Karl E. Peters
> Regards,
>
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