RE: [ga] ICANN Travel Budgeting

["Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Tim

Thanks for the clarification.  Seems a bit more reasonable now.

Best

Debbie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
> Sent: 08 December 2007 00:49
> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ga] ICANN Travel Budgeting
>
>
> Debbie,
>
> I think Denise was misunderstood, or maybe it wasn't clear. I
> took her note to mean the $205,800 was inclusive of the
> airfare of $147,000. Per Councilor - $7000 Bus. class
> airfare, $400 per day hotel/meals for seven days/nights
> (probably longer than most would actually stay).
>
> Not stating an opinion here, just clarifying.
>
>
> Tim
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [ga] ICANN Travel Budgeting
> From: "Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thu, December 06, 2007 12:57 pm
> To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> Flights to Delhi from the UK are currently starting at
> #241GBP (500USD) Not sure where the 16k USD per person comes
> in. I suspect a hotel for the week would be similar. When I
> stayed at the Grand it only cost #100 per night!
>
> Could someone from ICANN please inform this list as to how
> these figures where derived? I really think this must be a mistake.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Debbie
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Danny Younger
> > Sent: 06 December 2007 01:14
> > To: George Kirikos; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Travel Budgeting
> >
> >
> > George,
> >
> > I just sent a similar note to Kieren by way of the CPSR Governance
> > list. I'd love to know why the other candidate cities were
> rejected if
> > the cost for attendance in Delhi is so high.
> >
> > regards,
> > Danny
> >
> >
> > --- George Kirikos <gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > One *has* to take a look at these numbers:
> > >
> > >
> > http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg04280.html
> > >
> > > "India Travel - It is estimated that airfare for 21
> Council members
> > > for this meeting would be US$147,000. Cost for hotel/per
> > diem for 21
> > > Council members for this meeting would be US$205,800."
> > >
> > > That would be a total of $352,000, or $16,800 per person!
> To India!
> > > How many couples went on a holiday to India and spent $35K
> > for a week?
> > > The premium for business travel isn't that high, unless one
> > is staying
> > > at the Four Seasons.
> > >
> > > Compare that to the entire budgets of various
> constituencies, for a
> > > year, and that seems enormously wasteful.
> > >
> > > Why is it that no one at ICANN can provide a quote as to what
> > > Webex.com or another videoconference solution that can
> > scale to 200+
> > > people would cost?
> > >
> > > I predict it would cost substantially LESS than $1000 per
> > person for a
> > > week of live feeds using Webex or other systems. And folks could
> > > participate from the comfort of their home/office, and
> > sleep in their
> > > own bed at night. Their carbon footprint would also be much less.
> > >
> > > I assume the number of ICANN staffers being sent far
> exceeds 21, so
> > > you can just imagine the enormous wasteful spending, on the
> > backs of
> > > domain registrants. More bread, less circuses.
> > >
> > > If you're going to flush away $50,000 for 3 council
> members from a
> > > single constituency, I think it would be better to give
> > that money to
> > > the relevant constituency, and then have that constituency
> > decide how
> > > the money is to be spent. I imagine they'll be able to
> > search around
> > > for much cheaper tickets and/or hotels, or decide to use
> > the money to
> > > reduce their constituency annual membership fees, etc.
> > >
> > > When something is "free" it tends to get abused, be it the
> > Add Grace
> > > Period, or travel funding. More efficient allocations of
> resources
> > > occur when one is given the choice of how to allocate those "free"
> > > funds.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > George Kirikos
> > > http://www.kirikos.com/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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