RE: [ga] ICANN Travel Budgeting

[Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Debbie,

I think Denise was misunderstood, or maybe it wasn't clear. I took her
note to mean the $205,800 was inclusive of the airfare of $147,000. Per
Councilor - $7000 Bus. class airfare, $400 per day hotel/meals for seven
days/nights (probably longer than most would actually stay).

Not stating an opinion here, just clarifying.


Tim 


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [ga] ICANN Travel Budgeting
From: "Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, December 06, 2007 12:57 pm
To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


Flights to Delhi from the UK are currently starting at £241GBP (500USD)
Not
sure where the 16k USD per person comes in. I suspect a hotel for the
week
would be similar. When I stayed at the Grand it only cost £100 per
night!

Could someone from ICANN please inform this list as to how these figures
where derived? I really think this must be a mistake.

Many thanks

Debbie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Danny Younger
> Sent: 06 December 2007 01:14
> To: George Kirikos; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Travel Budgeting
>
>
> George,
>
> I just sent a similar note to Kieren by way of the CPSR
> Governance list. I'd love to know why the other candidate
> cities were rejected if the cost for attendance in Delhi is so high.
>
> regards,
> Danny
>
>
> --- George Kirikos <gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > One *has* to take a look at these numbers:
> >
> >
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg04280.html
> >
> > "India Travel - It is estimated that airfare for 21 Council members
> > for this meeting would be US$147,000. Cost for hotel/per
> diem for 21
> > Council members for this meeting would be US$205,800."
> >
> > That would be a total of $352,000, or $16,800 per person! To India!
> > How many couples went on a holiday to India and spent $35K
> for a week?
> > The premium for business travel isn't that high, unless one
> is staying
> > at the Four Seasons.
> >
> > Compare that to the entire budgets of various constituencies, for a
> > year, and that seems enormously wasteful.
> >
> > Why is it that no one at ICANN can provide a quote as to what
> > Webex.com or another videoconference solution that can
> scale to 200+
> > people would cost?
> >
> > I predict it would cost substantially LESS than $1000 per
> person for a
> > week of live feeds using Webex or other systems. And folks could
> > participate from the comfort of their home/office, and
> sleep in their
> > own bed at night. Their carbon footprint would also be much less.
> >
> > I assume the number of ICANN staffers being sent far exceeds 21, so
> > you can just imagine the enormous wasteful spending, on the
> backs of
> > domain registrants. More bread, less circuses.
> >
> > If you're going to flush away $50,000 for 3 council members from a
> > single constituency, I think it would be better to give
> that money to
> > the relevant constituency, and then have that constituency
> decide how
> > the money is to be spent. I imagine they'll be able to
> search around
> > for much cheaper tickets and/or hotels, or decide to use
> the money to
> > reduce their constituency annual membership fees, etc.
> >
> > When something is "free" it tends to get abused, be it the
> Add Grace
> > Period, or travel funding. More efficient allocations of resources
> > occur when one is given the choice of how to allocate those "free"
> > funds.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > George Kirikos
> > http://www.kirikos.com/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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