Re: [ga] Enumeration and qualification of GA Electors and revised election results based on the list of qualified electors

[jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Joe and all,

  The reason for this occuring is because the illigitimate
rules don't apply to reality.  Such occurances will continue to
occur as long as such ignorant rule making persists.  Same is
true for drafting laws and policies.  As ICANN has been consistant
to a very great degree in making such policies based on ignorance
and without openess and transparency or accountability, continued
irresponsibility will persist accordingly.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Oct 5, 2007 10:08 AM
>To: ga <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [ga] Enumeration and qualification of GA Electors and revised 
>election results based on the list of qualified electors
>
>Peter Dambier wrote:
>
>>
>> Just for curiousity,
>>
>> my vote was not counted either and
>> I did not see either my or Jeffs vote on the list
>
>I've already replied to Jeff on that.  As for your vote I did not see it 
>on this list.  According to the Narten Weekly Postings the first time 
>you have posted to this list was on the 5 Oct 2007.  And you posted 
>once.  This means I would have had to disqualify your vote because the 
>list rules on chair voting that were brought to my attention contain a 
>limitation on who is allowed to vote.  That limitation is under section 
>8 of the General Assembly rules on the ELECTION AND FUNCTIONS OF THE 
>CHAIR.  The specific paragraphs state that "Each subscriber to the 
>General Assembly mailing list receives one vote. Subscribers must have 
>been members with at least 3 postings to the list, at least 90 days 
>prior to the call for an election".
>
>Based on the Thomas Narten weekly postings I prepaired the following 
>list of enumerated electors.
>
>http://www.publicroot.org/GA-Electors/index.html
>
>This list contains all potential electors to the GA.  But based on the 
>list rules those only qualified to vote under section 8 of the rules are 
>here:
>
>http://www.publicroot.org/GA-Electors/GA-elections-sept-6-2007.html
>
>That means you need two more posting to qualify.  And you will only be 
>allowed to vote under section 8 in 90 days from your first posting on 
>Oct 5 2007.  Now if you were a member of the GA who posted prior to 06 
>Apr 2007 then I would have no record of that because the Narten weekly 
>postings only are archived on my system from Apr 6 2007.  I have no 
>prior records of your posts.  If that is the case please look at the GA 
>archives, find the applicable messages and I will add you to the active 
>list.
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>Kindest regards
>Joe Baptista
>.
>P.S.  My best to Karen.
>
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Peter and Karin
>>
>> jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>>> Joe and all,
>>>
>>>   Well Joe, I was left out.  Why is that. hum?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>> From: Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Oct 4, 2007 11:25 PM
>>>> To: ga <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: [ga] Enumeration and qualification of GA Electors and 
>>>> revised election results based on the list of qualified electors
>>>>
>>>> The list rules make clear that: "Subscribers must have been members 
>>>> with at least 3 postings to the list, at least 90 days prior to the 
>>>> call for an election."
>>>>
>>>> The term "call for an election" is not defined in the rules.  I find 
>>>> this a problem.  I assume the call was issued on Sept 6, 2007 by the 
>>>> chair.
>>>>
>>>> It is almost impossible for the list monitor to conduct an 
>>>> enumeration which is required due to limited time available.  
>>>> Although it not specifically mentioned in the list rules - you can't 
>>>> run an election defined by the list rules unless you have a proper 
>>>> enumeration of the electors.  This is necessary to qualify them.
>>>>
>>>> I do not control the mailing list files.  And as I mentioned doing 
>>>> such an enumeration is a bit of an undertaking.  However I wrote a 
>>>> script that uses Thomas Nartens weekly posts to create an 
>>>> enumeration of electors.  That list of all potential unqualified 
>>>> electors is available here.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.publicroot.org/GA-Electors/index.html
>>>>
>>>> If we apply the rules.  Members with at least 3 posts 90 prior to 
>>>> the call for an election then the cut off date would be June 6, 
>>>> 2007.  So if we apply these rules to the above list we get the 
>>>> following list of 24 electors qualified to vote.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.publicroot.org/GA-Electors/GA-elections-sept-6-2007.html
>>>>
>>>> This means I have to revise the election results as follows:
>>>>
>>>> Debbie Garside          Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker (disqualified - 
>>>> member less then 90 days from election call)
>>>> George Kirikos          Spoiled Ballot
>>>> Sotiris Sotiropoulos    Spoiled Ballot
>>>> Dominik Filipp           Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
>>>> Eric Hugh Dierker      Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
>>>> Joe Baptista               Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
>>>> David Scott                Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker (disqualified 
>>>> - member less then 90 days from election call)
>>>>
>>>> Total votes for Eric Hugh Dierker         3
>>>> Total votes disqualified                         2
>>>> Total spoiled ballots                             2
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>> Total Votes in this Election                   7
>>>>
>>>> Comments?  I appreciate comments.  Have the fun of having elections 
>>>> is following the rules and developing proceedure where non existed 
>>>> before.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> joe baptista
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Joe Baptista                                www.publicroot.org
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>>>
>>> =======
>>>
>>> 'Regards,
>>> Jeffrey A. Williams
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>>> often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>>>
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>>> liability
>>> depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
>>> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
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>>
>>
>
>
>-- 
>Joe Baptista                                www.publicroot.org
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'Regards,
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very
often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability
depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of
Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx