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Re: [dow2tf] RE: section 2.4 of TF2 draft report

  • To: KathrynKL@xxxxxxx
  • Subject: Re: [dow2tf] RE: section 2.4 of TF2 draft report
  • From: "Jordyn A. Buchanan" <jordyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:23:19 -0400
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This text is all contained in 2.4 right now, but due to the complications of formatting that show up due to track changes, it appears that the last point somehow got pulled up onto the wrong line. I'm certainly comfortable making the editorial change of adding a carriage return into the report to correct the formatting without altering the text.

Additionally, it looks like there may be some extra bullets that may have been intended to be removed by the edits that you and Steve proposed (this was a little unclear) to me before. If that's the case, it seems reasonable to remove the spurious bullet points, assuming that those who have already cast votes agree. I apologize for the confusion, and try to think of a cleaner way to manage document revisions next time around.


On May 28, 2004, at 11:57 AM, KathrynKL@xxxxxxx wrote:

Jordyn: I think in the midst of many drafts, the bullet points for section 2.4 got inserted (as Steve and I worked them out) and then somehow dropped.  I apologize, but I can't sign off on the current version until the chagnes are added.

So the following four bullet points are the total bullets for section 2.4, and replace the current text you circulated.  I have also included Steve's message of 5_24 below.

>From Steve... 
 ------------------- 2.4  findings ------------------------------

·        there was no consensus that the data elements now being collected should be changed.  All of the data elements now collected are considered by at least some constituencies to be necessary for current and foreseeable needs of the community, though others dispute whether such needs are consistent with the purpose of the Whois database and the reasons for collection of sensitive/personal data by registrars;

·        there was no consensus about whether any of the current elements should be made voluntary;

·        some additional data elements were proposed, but questions were raised about whether some of these (e.g., date and method of last verification of data) fell within the purview of TF3 rather than TF 2;

·        While some view the acquisition of this data as raising privacy concerns,  there was no consensus on this point, and the Task Force devoted more of its time and resources to discussing the issues raised in Tasks/Milestones 3 and 4 (limiting data made available for public access/existing and future options to maintain registrant anonymity).  


"Steve Metalitz" <metalitz@xxxxxxxx>
Date: May 26, 2004 4:20:45 PM EDT
To: "Jordyn A. Buchanan" <jordyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Maggie Mansourkia" <maggie.mansourkia@xxxxxxx>
Cc: "Marilyn Cade" <mcade@xxxxxxx>, "Tom Keller" <tom@xxxxxxxxxx>, "2DOW2tf" <dow2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [dow2tf] RE: section 2.4 of TF2 draft report

I feel compelled to point out that the bullets at the very end of
section 2.4 do not reflect the slight modifications that Kathy and I
agreed upon over the weekend and I posted to the list Monday morning.
See http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/dow2tf/msg00300.html
Of course I still prefer Jordyn's version, since I originally drafted
it, but I wanted to bring this subsequent agreement to your attention,
and to suggest that folks react to the language in the Monday posting.

Steve Metalitz

-----Original Message-----
From: Jordyn A. Buchanan [mailto:jordyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:42 PM
To: Maggie Mansourkia
Cc: Marilyn Cade; Steve Metalitz; Tom Keller; '2DOW2tf'
Subject: Re: [dow2tf] Revised draft

Let me just add a couple of points that I think may help frame where we

Maggie is correct that there is certainly some additional work
remaining to be done before the tiered access plan can be acted upon.
What we have at this point is a concept, and not something that is ready
to be adopted at the Board (or probably even the Council) level.

It's possible that some or all of our questions have already been
addressed by TF #1, as they're supposed to be focusing on mechanisms of
providing access. Also, we may get useful feedback through the public
comment process. As we have some joint meetings with TF #1 and see the
results of the public comment process, we may be able to start to answer
the questions we've identified and solidify the policy recommendation
prior to the final report being issued.

If not, someone is going to have to do some further work, whether it be
in the form of another PDP or some sort of implementation committee.

Having said all that, I can see how Steve's text could be construed a
bit differently from the policy recommendations in 3.5. This is why I
proposed mirroring the language of the recommendation there in 1.4. Do
people have thoughts on my proposed language from earlier today?

Also, are there thoughts on Steve's proposed modifications to the
national law section in 1.4?

Finally, if you do have changes, please forward them to the list as soon
as possible. We really need to get a final draft distributed and voted
upon to meet our Friday deadline.


On May 26, 2004, at 3:25 PM, Magnolia Mansourkia wrote:

But wouldn't another task force, study or something be necessary
anyway to address the viability, cost, etc.?? The point is that until
we have answers to these questions, we really don't know if the
concept (which is
can become a roadmap or policy description (which needs to explored to

see if it can work).

I'd like to adopt change that the concept needs more work or
but I do agree with Jordyn that the goal of further exploration should

be to answer the unanswered issues noted, not have a multi-leg or
redundant process in place.

I also have a couple of edits I'll be forwarding shortly.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-dow2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-dow2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Behalf Of Thomas Keller
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 1:13 PM
To: Steve Metalitz
Cc: Jordyn A. Buchanan; 2DOW2tf
Subject: Re: [dow2tf] Revised draft

To all,

I believe that the former version reflected the discussions we had
over the past month very good and therefore object against adopting
the new changes.
My interpretation of the DOW is that this taskforce has to recommend a

solution for the problems identified as in scope of the taskforce and
not to refer this to yet another taskforce/steeringgroup whatsoever.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but that is exactly what "a topic of
further explanation" means to me.



Am 26.05.2004 schrieb Steve Metalitz:
Another alternative would simply be to put a period after
The specific questions could be left to sec. 3.5.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jordyn A. Buchanan [mailto:jordyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:22 AM
To: Steve Metalitz
Cc: 2DOW2tf
Subject: Re: [dow2tf] Revised draft

I'm hoping others will have an opportunity to review Steve's changes
fairly quickly.

Steve: one thing I notice is that your proposed changes to the
tiered access provision seems to make even further exploration
dependent on resolving viability, financial feasability, etc. I'm
not sure if that's the intent, but that's how it reads right now.


On May 26, 2004, at 10:54 AM, Steve Metalitz wrote:

Attached please find suggested edits to sec. 1.4 to bring this

closer into line with the content of the recommendations in sec. 3.3

(local law) and 3.5 (tiered access).

Steve Metalitz

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-dow2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Behalf Of Jordyn A. Buchanan
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:57 PM
To: '2DOW2tf'
Subject: [dow2tf] Revised draft

Hi all:

Sorry to send out another draft, but Glen was kind enough to provide

me with most of the links listed in the documents. I've added them,

and in the process moved just about all links into footnotes. I
imagine in the HTML version of the document, they'll simply become

This version of the document is also relative to last week's

so if you haven't yet looked at the version from last night, don't
bother. This tracks changes included in that document as well.


<TF 2 sec 1.4 redline sjm 052604.doc>



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