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RE: [council] For your review - GNSO Review of GAC Communique Hyderabad
- To: "Rubens Kuhl" <rubensk@xxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [council] For your review - GNSO Review of GAC Communique Hyderabad
- From: <policy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 15:56:07 -0700
- Cc: "Marika Konings" <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>, "council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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font-size:10pt;"><div>Quick check of the ICANN website seems to indicate all
sorts of references to DNS Abuse. Rubens, does something need a computer
science definition even if the rest of the community seems to already know what
it is?
</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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Subject: RE: [council] For your review - GNSO Review of GAC Communique<br>
Hyderabad<br>
From: <<a
href="mailto:policy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>policy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
Date: Mon, December 12, 2016 3:46 pm<br>
To: "Rubens Kuhl" <<a href="mailto:rubensk@xxxxxx";>rubensk@xxxxxx</a>><br>
Cc: "Marika Konings" <<a
href="mailto:marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx";>marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx</a>>,
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"<a href="mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>" <<a
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<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><div>Thanks
Rubens. The use of "best practices" was in the original version that
contracted parties sent around - I was pretty proud that I was able to keep it
in! </div><div><br></div><div>Regarding your other comment, I guess I
do't know where that leaves us since at least the GAC seems to know what abuses
are. How do we solve
this?</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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font-family:verdana;"> <div id="wmQuoteWrapper"> -------- Original Message
--------<br> Subject: Re: [council] For your review - GNSO Review of GAC
Communique<br> Hyderabad<br> From: Rubens Kuhl <<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:rubensk@xxxxxx";>rubensk@xxxxxx</a>><br> Date: Mon, December 12,
2016 2:30 pm<br> To: <a target="_blank"
href="mailto:policy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>policy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a><br> Cc: Marika
Konings <<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx";>marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx</a>>, "<a
target="_blank"
href="mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>"<br> <<a
target="_blank"
href="mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br> <br>
<div class=""><br class=""></div>Paul,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div
class="">Setting apart what the role of ICANN and contracted parties are in
this matter, we need to be aware that there are fundamental limitations that
would prevent any of such entities to do what is described in the
text. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Currently,
there is no Computer Science standard to define what is an abuse, its
taxonomies or how to report them; it's not much different from the famous
obscenity definition: "I know it when I see it.". So even if we somehow put
ICANN in the role of making such standards, which would be unprecedented since
standards in this area until now came from ISO, IETF, M3AAWG and APWG, it would
fail miserably due to lack of a theoretical framework to base such standards
on. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That's why most
of the work in the Information Security field refer to "practices"; this allow
for not hardcoding a phenomena that is always fast evolving and be more
effective by being more adaptable. </div><div class="">I would even
challenge the use of "best practices" in the context below since it would
require a greater level adoption in the field, but this is a confusion that is
already widely spread in a number of ICANN documents,
unfortunately. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br
class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rubens</div><div
class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote
type="cite" class=""><div class="">Em 12 de dez de 2016, à(s) 18:10:000, <a
target="_blank" href="mailto:policy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
class="">policy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a> escreveu:</div><br
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class=""><div class="">Hi All,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div
class="">The IPC has had a chance to consider the draft language for Section 2
and propose the following (heavily) edited draft response:</div><div
class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div
class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
class="">___________________________</span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;;;"><span lang="EN-GB" class="">The GNSO Council would
like to express concern that the list of questions set out in Annex 1 has been
categorised as “advice”. <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="">In this
context,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
lang="EN-GB" class="">the term “advice” ought to be given its ordinary
dictionary meaning, and a request to the Board to provide various data and
information does not<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="">constitute
“GAC Advice”, as this term is used in the ICANN Bylaws. Since GAC
Advice<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
lang="EN-GB" class="">has a specific status and treatment under the under the
ICANN Bylaws, precision of terminology is crucial to avoid any perception that
there is an attempt to direct the Board, rather than making a request for
information and attempting to impose a reasonable deadline for its
provision. That said, t</span><span class="">he GNSO Council looks
forward to reviewing ICANN’s responses to the questions listed in Annex 1 to
the Communiqué. Some contracted parties to ICANN have or are in the
process of developing a number of “best practices” initiatives
related to registry and registrar operations. ICANN is responsible for setting
standards for abuse reporting and performance when determining compliance with
contractual obligations. </span><span class="">The issue of DNS Abuse
Mitigation raised by the GAC may also be dealt with by the GNSO
in </span><span class="">GNSO PDP Working Groups, producing relevant
Consensus Policy recommendations then duly adopted by the Board.
Further,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
class="">the issue of DNS Abuse Mitigation raised by the GAC is dealt with by
the GNSO as the issue arises, whether it be various active and/or open projects
on the <a
href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/projects-list-28nov16-en.pdf";
target="_blank" class="">Projects List</a>, or as part of GNSO <a
href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/policy"; target="_blank" class="">Policy
Activities</a>. </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;;;"><span
class="">___________________________</span></div><div class=""><br
class=""></div><div class="">I'm very happy to discuss the rationale for these
proposed changes. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div
class="">Best,</div><div class="">Paul</div><div class=""><br
class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote
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class="">Subject: [council] For your review - GNSO Review of GAC Communique<br
class="">Hyderabad<br class="">From: Marika Konings <<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx"; style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
text-decoration: underline;" class="">marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx</a>><br
class="">Date: Thu, December 08, 2016 11:48 am<br class="">To: "<a
target="_blank" href="mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; style="color: rgb(149, 79,
114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>" <<a
target="_blank" href="mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; style="color: rgb(149, 79,
114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br
class=""><br class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page:
WordSection1;"><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size:12pt;;; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"
class="">Dear All,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:12pt;;; font-family: Calibri;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:12pt;;;
font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Please find
attached for your review the proposed GNSO Review of the GAC Communique. This
draft has been developed by the small drafting team that was formed at ICANN57
consisting of Donna Austin, James Bladel, Heather Forrest, Phil Corwin, Michele
Neylon, Paul McGrady and Carlos Guttierez. Please share any comments and/or
input you may have with the mailing list. Consideration of this document is
also on the agenda for the GNSO Council meeting on 15 December.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:12pt;;; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size:
11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:12pt;;; font-family: Calibri;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Best regards,<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:12pt;;; font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size:
11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:12pt;;; font-family: Calibri;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Marika<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:12pt;;;
font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:12pt;;; font-family: Calibri;"><b class=""><i
class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Marika Konings<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></i></b></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:12pt;;; font-family: Calibri;"><i class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Senior Policy Director & Team Leader for
the GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN) <o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:12pt;;; font-family: Calibri;"><i
class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Email:<span
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href="mailto:marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx"; style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
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