RE: [council] Notes from today's GNSO Council call

["Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Mikey,

Clearly these are appreciated, especially by those who were unable to
attend.

Naturally, I think, it will be good if these don't displace or compete with
the "official" record of the meeting.
So, please do check any records (minutes / action items) using your notes to
make sure that they do accurately record the content and actions arising.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri@xxxxxxx] 
Sent: 27 February 2014 18:26
To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [council] Notes from today's GNSO Council call



i agree.  thanks.

avri

On 27-Feb-14 18:38, James M. Bladel wrote:
> As someone who missed the call - THANK YOU!
>
> J.
>
>
> From: Mike O'Connor <mike@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> Date: Thursday, February 27, 2014 at 10:33
> To: GNSO Council List <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Subject: [council] Notes from today's GNSO Council call
>
> hi all,
>
> as many of you know, i'm an obsessive note-taker in meetings.  i 
> thought i would share my notes from the call this morning with this 
> list and ask you to let me know if you would like me to continue 
> sending them to this list as well.  these are mostly for me, and my 
> ISPCP colleagues (so pay no attention to the action-items, those are 
> mostly for me).  feel free to sing out if you find these annoying or 
> unhelpful.  these are NOT official minutes, just personal notes of one
member.
>
> disclaimer - these are my notes and may contain errors of fact or 
> understanding.  if something in here makes you unhappy, check with me 
> or the person before taking extreme action.  :-)
>
> also note that item 6 and item 4 were reversed on the agenda, which is 
> why these notes are not in strictest numeric sequence.
>
> mikey
>
>
> Council call - 27-Feb 2014
>
>   *
>
>     + - Item 1: Administrative matters (10 mins)
>
>       o 1.1 Roll Call
>       o + - 1.2 Statement of interest updates
>           + Maria Farrell
>           + ~
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maria+Farrell+SOI
>
<https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maria+Farrell+SOI>
>       o 1.3 Review/amend agenda
>       o + - 1.4. Note the status of minutes for the previous Council
>         meeting per the GNSO Operating Procedures:
>           + Minutes of the GNSO Council meetings 23 January 2014 were
>             posted as approved on 17 February 2014.
>
>     + - Item 2: Opening Remarks / Review of Projects & Action List (10
>     mins)
>
>       o Review focus areas and provide updates on specific key themes /
>         topics
>       o Include review of Projects List and Action List.
>       o + - Comments or questions arising.
>           + Action: note a diary entry to review the list prior to each
>             meeting - and forward to the ISPCP list
>
>     Item 3: Consent agenda (0 mins)
>
>     + - Item 4: UPDATE & DISCUSSION - GNSO Engagement with the work of
>     the ICANN Strategy Panels (15 mins)
>
>       o
>
>         + - Here the Council will receive an update on any relevant
>         interaction with and output from the strategy panels and discuss
>         any appropriate action going forward.
>
>           + +- Update:
>               #
>
>                 +- Strat Panels are out for comment
>
>                   * ~ icann.org > En > News > Public-comment >
>                     Strategy-panels-25feb14-en
>
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/strategy-panels-25feb14-en.htm>
>                   * ~ icann.org > En > News > Announcements >
>                     Announcement-2-25feb14-en
>                     
> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-2-25feb14-en.
> htm>
>
>                 Fadi's recent update to AC/SO chairs -- on role panels
>                 and their role in the strategy process -- concern about
>                 top-down was discussed
>
>                 +- MSI panel --
>
>                   *
>
>                     +- 16 proposals (here's a link to my little matrix
>                     of the proposals -- arrayed by Goal <--> Tool and
>                     Participation <--> Policy)
>
>                       o ~ haven2.com > Wp-content > Uploads > 2007 > 07
>                          > PDP-Overview-GAC-GNSO-v5
>                         
> <http://www.haven2.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/PDP-Overview-GAC-GNS
> O-v5.jpg>
>
>                     +- Jonathan has reached out -- got off to a bit of a
>                     slow start -- but meetings 2 weeks ago and 
> yesterday
>
>                       o
>
>                         +- flag waving - we're the Council and the GNSO
>                         - your work feels as though it overlaps our
>                         remit - so we are very tuned to you work
>
>                           + Novak offered to do some kind of interview
>                             -- Jonathan was uncomfortable
>
>                         +- Yesterday's meeting
>
>                           +
>
>                             working toward a meeting with 1/2 members of
>                             the staff (govLab) people in singapore
>
>                             opportunity to home in on a subset of the
>                             recommendations that are more closely
>                             related to the policy work of the GNSO
>
>                     +- 2 issues
>
>                       o +- "top down" concern
>                           + Jonathan: best aimed at Fadi not the MSI panel
>           + +- Discussion
>               # +- Berard
>                   *
>
>                     +- "this is something we need to talk about"
>                     reenforces the "executivification" of ICANN -- it's
>                     really hard for a part time person to stay above the
>                     raging water -- the community is becoming more
>                     professional -- this is driving some of our
>                     community members mad -- the more we can do to
>                     foster discussion at the broadest level in the
>                     community, the better
>
>                       o Jonathan shares concern over the raging water
>                       o Jonathan emphasises distinction between MSI
>                         content and MSI chartering
>               # +- Amr
>                   *
>
>                     +- commisioning is very top down -- there is a lot
>                     of work going on -- that's where the changes would
>                     have to be reviewed
>
>                       o
>
>                         doesn't feel quite as concerned as others are
>
>                         +- Jonathan - we have the opportunity to engage
>                         -- maybe a written response to the panel from
>                         the council
>
>                           + reaction to their work AND
>                           + work that the GNSO is doing
>               # +- Stoll
>                   *
>
>                     +- we need to inform them to alert them to overlaps
>                     AND we need to inform administration of concerns
>                     directly
>
>                       o comments seem to go into a black hole
>                       o be careful in the engagement
>               # +- Chiao
>                   *
>
>                     volunteers -- substantial proportion of cycles going
>                     to IG issue
>
>                     registries -- implementation requirements,
>                     additional load of IG work -- overloaded is not just
>                     limited to volunteers in non-contracted parties.
>                       Ry's and Rr's are struggling to keep up with
>                     implementation requirements in addition to
>                     policy-making and IG discussion.  Very hard,
>                     especially for smaller registries.
>
>                     +- ICANN is now representing all of our voices --
>                     will people outside of ICANN have a chance to talk
>                     with the community directly?  Is ICANN trying to
>                     represent us, rather than letting that conversation
>                     take place directly?
>
>                       o maybe it's time for constituencies to step out
>               # +- Greimann
>                   *
>
>                     topics are very worthwhile -- also helpful to have
>                     an outside voice -- however i think this effort
>                     should have come in the ICANN way -- thus they have
>                     a bit of a birth defect because of the way they were
>                     launched -- we shouldn't be deferential, give
>                     advice, should be seen as comparable to the GAC
>
>               # +- Greenberg
>                   *
>
>                     MSI - remember they were put in place to comment on
>                     the *whole* MS model, not just GNSO -- their remit
>                     is broader - they were asked to suggest changes -
>                     informed process --  they DID suggest changes and we
>                     need to embrace/refine their suggestions without
>                     appearing defensive
>
>           + +- Followup
>               # Jonathan will follow up with Theresa about how we can
>                 best interact with these panels
>
>     + - Item 5: UPDATE - PDP Working Group on Translation &
>     Transliteration of Contact Information (10 mins)
>
>       o
>
>         The GNSO Council recently initiated a Policy Development Process
>         (PDP) on the Translation and Transliteration of Contact
>         Information. As part of its efforts to obtain broad input from
>         the ICANN Community at an early stage of its deliberations, the
>         Working Group has requested input from the Supporting
>         Organizations (including the GNSO) and Advisory Committees on
>         several questions relating to the issues identified in the PDP
>         Final Issue Report.
>
>         + - 5.1 - Update (Ching Chiao)
>
>           + presented by Chris Dillon - cochair
>           + +- request for input - deadline is tomorrow
>               # https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag
>
>         + - 5.2 - Discussion
>
>           + +- Chiao - thanks Chris, encourages comments from
>             constituencies
>               # Action: remind ISPCP of need for input
>
>         5.3 - Next steps
>
>     + - Item 6: UPDATE & DISCUSSION - International Internet Governance
>     Issues  (20 mins)
>
>       o
>
>         Discussions and activity relating to international Internet
>         Governance issues are attracting a great deal of attention in
>         ICANN and related groups. This item is on the agenda to provide
>         an opportunity for discussion within the Council about how this
>         impacts the role and work of the Council and mindful of the
>         scope and remit of the Council, what action the Council should
>         or could be taking.
>
>         + - 4.1 - Status update (Sally Costerton)
>
>           + Jonathan: what should be focusing on at Council
>           + +- Sally:
>               # +- several streams around IG
>                   * +- Background
>                       o
>
>                         +- Buenos Aires - became clear that profile of
>                         IG was increasing - triggered by Snowden issue
>
>                           + the rest of the world had "woken up"
>                           + resurfaced WCIT issues
>
>                         very full IG calendar in 2014
>
>                         Fadi's view - sense that there is frustration
>                         over how hard IG issues are to resolve
>
>                         ITU - march toward their meeting late in the
>                         year -- debate around whether they're going to
>                         change their remit
>
>                         if we don't participate others will do it for 
> us
>
>                   * +- 1Net
>                       o
>
>                         discussion forum where debate is taking place in
>                         great detail
>
>                         now has a steering committee
>
>                         +- web forum is up and running -- discussion is
>                         migrating that direction -- much easier to
>                         follow than the overwhelming traffic on the
>                         email list
>
>                           + ~ https://forum.1net.org/
>                             <https://forum.1net.org/>
>                   * +- CCWG
>                       o discuss and collect input
>                       o meeting weekly
>                       o goal: position by the end of March
>                       o +- email archive
>                           +
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ccwg-internet-governance/
>                       o +- web page
>                           +
>
>                             
> https://community.icann.org/display/CPMMB/ICANN+Community+Preparation+
> for+the+Multistakeholder+Meeting+in+Brazil+Home
>
>                   * +- Hi Level Panel (5th panel)
>                       o +- 3 f2f meetings
>                           + December
>                           + now
>                           + May
>                       o there is to be a submission to the Brazil meeting
>                   * +- NetMundial
>                       o goal: HOW to decide, not decide
>                       o submissions of principle and framework
>                       o late April, just after Easter
>                       o hosted by Brazilian govt
>                       o 4 cochairs
>                       o Hi level committee -- just met this week --
>                         goal: good attention/attendance by governments
>                       o deadline for registration is tomorrow (28-Feb)
>                       o +- registration web page
>                           + ~ content.netmundial.br > Interests >
>                             Expression
>
<http://content.netmundial.br/interests/expression>
>                       o +- overall web page
>                           + ~ netmundial.br <http://netmundial.br/>
>                   * +- Singapore
>                       o NCSG event -- starts at 10am, Friday before
>                         meeting, 10:00 - 18:00, followed by reception
>                         w/Fadi
>                       o Several events during the ICANN meetings
>
>         + - 4.2 - Discussion
>
>           + +- Berard;
>               #
>
>                 +- ccNSO: categories of participation in NetMudial
>                 meetingdon't make room for ccTLD managers -- is this a
>                 metaphor for the way that IG discussions aren't leaving
>                 room for individual members of ICANN
>
>                   * +- tactical - ccNSO members?
>                       o open registration meeting - everybody is welcome
>                         - first come first served attendance
>                       o strongly encourage participation
>
>                 +- Snowden revelations provide excellent cover for
>                 political intent -- what is Fadi's public position on
this?
>
>                   *
>
>                     Maria Farrell: John - the Montevideo statement sets
>                     out pretty clearly the concern re. pervasive
>                     monitoring and Internet stewardship. Fadi signed it
>                     for ICANN so I think it's fair to say he sees a
>                     link. Even if some use the Snowden revelations
>                     tactically, the fact remains that many have lost
>                     faith in the impartiality of the USG.
>
>                     +- Costerton: get asked questions about
>                     globalization of ICANN and Snowden - we don't have a
>                     particular view - realization within the US govt
>                     that structures may need to change
>
>                       o need to reenforce other voices at the table
>
>                 +- Richard Clark transcript -- the two issues are as far
>                 apart as one could find
>
>                   *
>
>                     ~ windowsitpro.com > Identity-management >
>
Richard-clarke-rsa-conference-10-observations-us-intelligence-gathering
>                     
> <http://windowsitpro.com/identity-management/richard-clarke-rsa-confer
> ence-10-observations-us-intelligence-gathering>
>
>           + +- Farrell
>               #
>
>                 +- Board resolution on globalization - disquite on lack
>                 of consultation, yet more CEO appointed panels, a lot of
>                 CEO-led activity going on.  concern about Council role
>                 in this ad hoc series of actions by administration
>
>                   *
>
>                     +- Board chair saw a lot of email on this -- perhaps
>                     the 1net list?
>
>                       o
>
>                         ~ Marika Konings: Please note that this is the
>                         email from Steve Crocker that Sally was
>                         referring to:
>
http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/002194.html
>                         
> <http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/002194.html
> >
>
>                     Costerton; with her engagement hat on -- groups are
>                     to facilitate the discussion that you have described
>                     Maria -- they will be in Singapore and given a
>                     public block - Council needs to know that their role
>                     is to act as facilitator
>
>                     +- Avri would very much have liked to participate
>                     the process of setting this up - post is coming to
>                     the list
>
>                       o Action: watch for that post
>           + +- Cake:
>               # +- is there anything that the Council or SGs should do?
>                   * reach out to communities and encourage them to
>                     participate in Netmundial
>                   * +- take a look at the BCG report
>                       o ~ icann.org > En > News > Announcements >
>                         Announcement-24jan14-en
>
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-24jan14-en.htm>
>           + +- Chiao
>               #
>
>                 congratulates Costerton on ASIAPAC engagement -- AsiaPAC
>                 members would like to be more engaged with the actual
>                 meetings, not just talking to people in the region,
>                 bring people to the meeting table and actually 
> contribute
>
>         4.3 - Next steps
>
>     + - Item 7: UPDATE & DISCUSSION - GAC Engagement - the work of the
>     Joint GAC / GNSO Consultation Group (15 mins)
>
>       o Here the Council will receive an update and discuss any action
>         going forward.
>       o + - 7.1 - Status update
>           + +- Amr:
>               # +- Reviewed charter --
>                   *
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gac-gnso-cg/attachments/20140212/c6e3f7b6/GAC-
GNSO-final-0001.pdf
>               # Two work streams - PDP early engagement and day to day
>                 interaction
>       o + - 7.2 - Discussion
>           + +- Mikey
>               # Charter is done, proposals are in progress
>       o 7.3 - Next steps
>
>     + - Item 8: UPDATE & DISCUSSION - Forthcoming review of the GNSO (10
>     mins)
>
>       o
>
>         As part of a periodic review process that is built into the
>         ICANN model, ICANN board initiated reviews of the GNSO (and the
>         GNSO Council and related functions) are expected.  In order to
>         be informed and effectively prepared for this work, we have
>         begun to engage with the body that commissions such reviews (the
>         structural improvements committee) through its chair, Ray Plazk.
>
>         The Council will track the planning work of the SIC and, where
>         appropriate; provide relevant input to the process.  We will
>         also prepare to undertake a form of self-review in a similar
>         format to that which we expect to arise out of the work of the
>         SIC.  A self-review will ensure that we are not only prepared
>         for the board initiated work but also able to flag areas for
>         potential improvement in as timely as possible a manner.
>
>         + - 8.1 - Update (Jennifer Wolfe)
>
>           +
>
>             there is no update since the last meeting -- still waiting
>             for an update from Ray
>
>             Jonathan: will there be a document prior to Singapore?
>               Marika: nothing expected to be published before 
> Singapore
>
>         8.2 - Discussion
>
>         8.3 - Next steps
>
>     + - Item 9: UPDATE & DISCUSSION - Planning for Singapore (15 mins)
>
>       o
>
>         Making the most out of the face-to-face meeting time available
>         at the ICANN Meeting in Buenos Aires will take planning.  GNSO
>         Council Vice Chair, David Cake will lead this and will be
>         working with the Council and staff on this effort.
>
>         Here the Council has the opportunity to feed into plans and
>         provide input based on past experience.  Included in this item
>         will be the opportunity to shape the approach to and substance
>         of the Council's proposed meetings with other groups in such as
>         the CCNSO, the GAC and the ICANN board.
>
>         + - 9.1 - Update (David Cake & Jonathan Robinson)
>
>           + Cake: very much Draft,
>
>         9.2 - Discussion
>
>         + - 9.3 - Next steps
>
>           + Action:  forward the draft schedule to the ISPCP list if it
>             hasn't been already  --  DONE
>
>     + - Item 10:  Any Other Business (10 mins)
>
>       o + - Community budget requests
>           + +- requests from the Council:
>               # Council development session,
>               # face-to-face PDP meetings (potential for facilitation),
>               # GAC GNSO reverse liaison (placeholder)
>       o + - ICANN Board Seat 14 - NCPH - additional Council meeting
>         Thursday, 10 April 2014 at 14:00 UTC
>           + this is a placeholder for that meeting -- Glen to follow up
>             to the list -- rationale for meeting
>       o + - Note the Root Server System Advisory Committee (RSSAC)
>         presence in Singapore
>           + Action: schedule them with ISPCP on Tuesday?
>           + Action: note public session to ISPCP list
>       o + - Meeting Strategy WG has draft out for comment
>           + +- Action: forward to ISPCP list  - DONE
>               # ~ icann.org > En > News > Public-comment >
>                 Meetings-strategy-25feb14-en
>
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/meetings-strategy-25feb14-en.ht
m>
>           + Action: comments from ISPCP? - DONE
>       o + - Amr: EWG process -- is Issue report the same as the EWG
>         final report?
>           +
>
>             Marika: important to separate the two.  final report due
>             London, may be another round of public comment.
>
>             There is already an initial report underway -- EWG will feed
>             into that Issue Report, which will proceed to PDP because
>             it's Board initiated
>
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