Re: [council] Notes from today's GNSO Council call

["Novoa, Osvaldo" <onovoa@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thank you very much Mikey, it's very useful.
Best regards,
Osvaldo

El 27/02/2014, a las 14:52, "Mike O'Connor" 
<mike@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>> escribió:

hi all,

as many of you know, i’m an obsessive note-taker in meetings.  i thought i 
would share my notes from the call this morning with this list and ask you to 
let me know if you would like me to continue sending them to this list as well. 
 these are mostly for me, and my ISPCP colleagues (so pay no attention to the 
action-items, those are mostly for me).  feel free to sing out if you find 
these annoying or unhelpful.  these are NOT official minutes, just personal 
notes of one member.

disclaimer — these are my notes and may contain errors of fact or 
understanding.  if something in here makes you unhappy, check with me or the 
person before taking extreme action.  :-)

also note that item 6 and item 4 were reversed on the agenda, which is why 
these notes are not in strictest numeric sequence.

mikey



Council call - 27-Feb 2014

 *   + - Item 1: Administrative matters (10 mins)

    *   1.1 Roll Call
    *   + - 1.2 Statement of interest updates
       *   Maria Farrell
       *   ~ https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maria+Farrell+SOI 
<https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maria+Farrell+SOI>
    *   1.3 Review/amend agenda
    *   + - 1.4. Note the status of minutes for the previous Council meeting 
per the GNSO Operating Procedures:
       *   Minutes of the GNSO Council meetings 23 January 2014 were posted as 
approved on 17 February 2014.

+ - Item 2: Opening Remarks / Review of Projects & Action List (10 mins)

    *   Review focus areas and provide updates on specific key themes / topics
    *   Include review of Projects List and Action List.
    *   + - Comments or questions arising.
       *   Action: note a diary entry to review the list prior to each meeting 
- and forward to the ISPCP list

Item 3: Consent agenda (0 mins)

+ - Item 4: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – GNSO Engagement with the work of the ICANN 
Strategy Panels (15 mins)

    *   + - Here the Council will receive an update on any relevant interaction 
with and output from the strategy panels and discuss any appropriate action 
going forward.

       *   + - Update:
          *   + - Strat Panels are out for comment

             *   ~ icann.org > En > News > Public-comment > 
Strategy-panels-25feb14-en 
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/strategy-panels-25feb14-en.htm>
             *   ~ icann.org > En > News > Announcements > 
Announcement-2-25feb14-en 
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-2-25feb14-en.htm>

Fadi's recent update to AC/SO chairs -- on role panels and their role in the 
strategy process -- concern about top-down was discussed

+ - MSI panel --

             *   + - 16 proposals (here's a link to my little matrix of the 
proposals -- arrayed by Goal <--> Tool and Participation <--> Policy)

                *   ~ haven2.com > Wp-content > Uploads > 2007 > 07 > 
PDP-Overview-GAC-GNSO-v5 
<http://www.haven2.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/PDP-Overview-GAC-GNSO-v5.jpg>

+ - Jonathan has reached out -- got off to a bit of a slow start -- but 
meetings 2 weeks ago and yesterday

                *   + - flag waving - we're the Council and the GNSO - your 
work feels as though it overlaps our remit - so we are very tuned to you work

                   *   Novak offered to do some kind of interview -- Jonathan 
was uncomfortable

+ - Yesterday's meeting

                   *   working toward a meeting with 1/2 members of the staff 
(govLab) people in singapore

opportunity to home in on a subset of the recommendations that are more closely 
related to the policy work of the GNSO

+ - 2 issues

                *   + - "top down" concern
                   *   Jonathan: best aimed at Fadi not the MSI panel
       *   + - Discussion
          *   + - Berard
             *   + - "this is something we need to talk about" reenforces the 
"executivification" of ICANN -- it's really hard for a part time person to stay 
above the raging water -- the community is becoming more professional -- this 
is driving some of our community members mad -- the more we can do to foster 
discussion at the broadest level in the community, the better

                *   Jonathan shares concern over the raging water
                *   Jonathan emphasises distinction between MSI content and MSI 
chartering
          *   + - Amr
             *   + - commisioning is very top down -- there is a lot of work 
going on -- that's where the changes would have to be reviewed

                *   doesn't feel quite as concerned as others are

+ - Jonathan - we have the opportunity to engage -- maybe a written response to 
the panel from the council

                   *   reaction to their work AND
                   *   work that the GNSO is doing
          *   + - Stoll
             *   + - we need to inform them to alert them to overlaps AND we 
need to inform administration of concerns directly

                *   comments seem to go into a black hole
                *   be careful in the engagement
          *   + - Chiao
             *   volunteers -- substantial proportion of cycles going to IG 
issue

registries -- implementation requirements, additional load of IG work -- 
overloaded is not just limited to volunteers in non-contracted parties.  Ry's 
and Rr's are struggling to keep up with implementation requirements in addition 
to policy-making and IG discussion.  Very hard, especially for smaller 
registries.

+ - ICANN is now representing all of our voices -- will people outside of ICANN 
have a chance to talk with the community directly?  Is ICANN trying to 
represent us, rather than letting that conversation take place directly?

                *   maybe it's time for constituencies to step out
          *   + - Greimann
             *   topics are very worthwhile -- also helpful to have an outside 
voice -- however i think this effort should have come in the ICANN way -- thus 
they have a bit of a birth defect because of the way they were launched -- we 
shouldn't be deferential, give advice, should be seen as comparable to the GAC

          *   + - Greenberg
             *   MSI - remember they were put in place to comment on the 
*whole* MS model, not just GNSO -- their remit is broader - they were asked to 
suggest changes - informed process --  they DID suggest changes and we need to 
embrace/refine their suggestions without appearing defensive

       *   + - Followup
          *   Jonathan will follow up with Theresa about how we can best 
interact with these panels

+ - Item 5: UPDATE – PDP Working Group on Translation & Transliteration of 
Contact Information (10 mins)

    *   The GNSO Council recently initiated a Policy Development Process (PDP) 
on the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information. As part of its 
efforts to obtain broad input from the ICANN Community at an early stage of its 
deliberations, the Working Group has requested input from the Supporting 
Organizations (including the GNSO) and Advisory Committees on several questions 
relating to the issues identified in the PDP Final Issue Report.

+ - 5.1 – Update (Ching Chiao)

       *   presented by Chris Dillon - cochair
       *   + - request for input - deadline is tomorrow
          *   https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag

+ - 5.2 – Discussion

       *   + - Chiao - thanks Chris, encourages comments from constituencies
          *   Action: remind ISPCP of need for input

5.3 – Next steps

+ - Item 6: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – International Internet Governance Issues  (20 
mins)

    *   Discussions and activity relating to international Internet Governance 
issues are attracting a great deal of attention in ICANN and related groups. 
This item is on the agenda to provide an opportunity for discussion within the 
Council about how this impacts the role and work of the Council and mindful of 
the scope and remit of the Council, what action the Council should or could be 
taking.

+ - 4.1 – Status update (Sally Costerton)

       *   Jonathan: what should be focusing on at Council
       *   + - Sally:
          *   + - several streams around IG
             *   + - Background
                *   + - Buenos Aires - became clear that profile of IG was 
increasing - triggered by Snowden issue

                   *   the rest of the world had "woken up"
                   *   resurfaced WCIT issues

very full IG calendar in 2014

Fadi's view - sense that there is frustration over how hard IG issues are to 
resolve

ITU - march toward their meeting late in the year -- debate around whether 
they're going to change their remit

if we don't participate others will do it for us

             *   + - 1Net
                *   discussion forum where debate is taking place in great 
detail

now has a steering committee

+ - web forum is up and running -- discussion is migrating that direction -- 
much easier to follow than the overwhelming traffic on the email list

                   *   ~ https://forum.1net.org/ <https://forum.1net.org/>
             *   + - CCWG
                *   discuss and collect input
                *   meeting weekly
                *   goal: position by the end of March
                *   + - email archive
                   *   http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ccwg-internet-governance/
                *   + - web page
                   *   
https://community.icann.org/display/CPMMB/ICANN+Community+Preparation+for+the+Multistakeholder+Meeting+in+Brazil+Home

             *   + - Hi Level Panel (5th panel)
                *   + - 3 f2f meetings
                   *   December
                   *   now
                   *   May
                *   there is to be a submission to the Brazil meeting
             *   + - NetMundial
                *   goal: HOW to decide, not decide
                *   submissions of principle and framework
                *   late April, just after Easter
                *   hosted by Brazilian govt
                *   4 cochairs
                *   Hi level committee -- just met this week -- goal: good 
attention/attendance by governments
                *   deadline for registration is tomorrow (28-Feb)
                *   + - registration web page
                   *   ~ content.netmundial.br > Interests > Expression 
<http://content.netmundial.br/interests/expression>
                *   + - overall web page
                   *   ~ netmundial.br <http://netmundial.br/>
             *   + - Singapore
                *   NCSG event -- starts at 10am, Friday before meeting, 10:00 
- 18:00, followed by reception w/Fadi
                *   Several events during the ICANN meetings

+ - 4.2 – Discussion

       *   + - Berard;
          *   + - ccNSO: categories of participation in NetMudial meetingdon't 
make room for ccTLD managers -- is this a metaphor for the way that IG 
discussions aren't leaving room for individual members of ICANN

             *   + - tactical - ccNSO members?
                *   open registration meeting - everybody is welcome - first 
come first served attendance
                *   strongly encourage participation

+ - Snowden revelations provide excellent cover for political intent -- what is 
Fadi's public position on this?

             *   Maria Farrell: John - the Montevideo statement sets out pretty 
clearly the concern re. pervasive monitoring and Internet stewardship. Fadi 
signed it for ICANN so I think it's fair to say he sees a link. Even if some 
use the Snowden revelations tactically, the fact remains that many have lost 
faith in the impartiality of the USG.

+ - Costerton: get asked questions about globalization of ICANN and Snowden - 
we don't have a particular view - realization within the US govt that 
structures may need to change

                *   need to reenforce other voices at the table

+ - Richard Clark transcript -- the two issues are as far apart as one could 
find

             *   ~ windowsitpro.com > Identity-management > 
Richard-clarke-rsa-conference-10-observations-us-intelligence-gathering 
<http://windowsitpro.com/identity-management/richard-clarke-rsa-conference-10-observations-us-intelligence-gathering>

       *   + - Farrell
          *   + - Board resolution on globalization - disquite on lack of 
consultation, yet more CEO appointed panels, a lot of CEO-led activity going 
on.  concern about Council role in this ad hoc series of actions by 
administration

             *   + - Board chair saw a lot of email on this -- perhaps the 1net 
list?

                *   ~ Marika Konings: Please note that this is the email from 
Steve Crocker that Sally was referring to: 
http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/002194.html 
<http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/002194.html>

Costerton; with her engagement hat on -- groups are to facilitate the 
discussion that you have described Maria -- they will be in Singapore and given 
a public block - Council needs to know that their role is to act as facilitator

+ - Avri would very much have liked to participate the process of setting this 
up - post is coming to the list

                *   Action: watch for that post
       *   + - Cake:
          *   + - is there anything that the Council or SGs should do?
             *   reach out to communities and encourage them to participate in 
Netmundial
             *   + - take a look at the BCG report
                *   ~ icann.org > En > News > Announcements > 
Announcement-24jan14-en 
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-24jan14-en.htm>
       *   + - Chiao
          *   congratulates Costerton on ASIAPAC engagement -- AsiaPAC members 
would like to be more engaged with the actual meetings, not just talking to 
people in the region, bring people to the meeting table and actually contribute

4.3 – Next steps

+ - Item 7: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – GAC Engagement – the work of the Joint GAC / 
GNSO Consultation Group (15 mins)

    *   Here the Council will receive an update and discuss any action going 
forward.
    *   + - 7.1 – Status update
       *   + - Amr:
          *   + - Reviewed charter --
             *   
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gac-gnso-cg/attachments/20140212/c6e3f7b6/GAC-GNSO-final-0001.pdf
          *   Two work streams - PDP early engagement and day to day interaction
    *   + - 7.2 – Discussion
       *   + - Mikey
          *   Charter is done, proposals are in progress
    *   7.3 – Next steps

+ - Item 8: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – Forthcoming review of the GNSO (10 mins)

    *   As part of a periodic review process that is built into the ICANN 
model, ICANN board initiated reviews of the GNSO (and the GNSO Council and 
related functions) are expected.  In order to be informed and effectively 
prepared for this work, we have begun to engage with the body that commissions 
such reviews (the structural improvements committee) through its chair, Ray 
Plazk.

The Council will track the planning work of the SIC and, where appropriate; 
provide relevant input to the process.  We will also prepare to undertake a 
form of self-review in a similar format to that which we expect to arise out of 
the work of the SIC.  A self-review will ensure that we are not only prepared 
for the board initiated work but also able to flag areas for potential 
improvement in as timely as possible a manner.

+ - 8.1 – Update (Jennifer Wolfe)

       *   there is no update since the last meeting -- still waiting for an 
update from Ray

Jonathan: will there be a document prior to Singapore?  Marika: nothing 
expected to be published before Singapore

8.2 – Discussion

8.3 – Next steps

+ - Item 9: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – Planning for Singapore (15 mins)

    *   Making the most out of the face-to-face meeting time available at the 
ICANN Meeting in Buenos Aires will take planning.  GNSO Council Vice Chair, 
David Cake will lead this and will be working with the Council and staff on 
this effort.

Here the Council has the opportunity to feed into plans and provide input based 
on past experience.  Included in this item will be the opportunity to shape the 
approach to and substance of the Council’s proposed meetings with other groups 
in such as the CCNSO, the GAC and the ICANN board.

+ - 9.1 – Update (David Cake & Jonathan Robinson)

       *   Cake: very much Draft,

9.2 – Discussion

+ - 9.3 – Next steps

       *   Action:  forward the draft schedule to the ISPCP list if it hasn't 
been already  --  DONE

+ - Item 10:  Any Other Business (10 mins)

    *   + - Community budget requests
       *   + - requests from the Council:
          *   Council development session,
          *   face-to-face PDP meetings (potential for facilitation),
          *   GAC GNSO reverse liaison (placeholder)
    *   + - ICANN Board Seat 14 – NCPH - additional Council meeting Thursday, 
10 April 2014 at 14:00 UTC
       *   this is a placeholder for that meeting -- Glen to follow up to the 
list -- rationale for meeting
    *   + - Note the Root Server System Advisory Committee (RSSAC) presence in 
Singapore
       *   Action: schedule them with ISPCP on Tuesday?
       *   Action: note public session to ISPCP list
    *   + - Meeting Strategy WG has draft out for comment
       *   + - Action: forward to ISPCP list  - DONE
          *   ~ icann.org > En > News > Public-comment > 
Meetings-strategy-25feb14-en 
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/meetings-strategy-25feb14-en.htm>
       *   Action: comments from ISPCP? - DONE
    *   + - Amr: EWG process -- is Issue report the same as the EWG final 
report?
       *   Marika: important to separate the two.  final report due London, may 
be another round of public comment.

There is already an initial report underway -- EWG will feed into that Issue 
Report, which will proceed to PDP because it's Board initiated

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