[council] Notes from today's GNSO Council call

["Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>]

hi all,

as many of you know, i’m an obsessive note-taker in meetings.  i thought i 
would share my notes from the call this morning with this list and ask you to 
let me know if you would like me to continue sending them to this list as well. 
 these are mostly for me, and my ISPCP colleagues (so pay no attention to the 
action-items, those are mostly for me).  feel free to sing out if you find 
these annoying or unhelpful.  these are NOT official minutes, just personal 
notes of one member.

disclaimer — these are my notes and may contain errors of fact or 
understanding.  if something in here makes you unhappy, check with me or the 
person before taking extreme action.  :-)

also note that item 6 and item 4 were reversed on the agenda, which is why 
these notes are not in strictest numeric sequence.

mikey


Council call - 27-Feb 2014

+- Item 1: Administrative matters (10 mins)

1.1 Roll Call
+- 1.2 Statement of interest updates
Maria Farrell
~ https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maria+Farrell+SOI
1.3 Review/amend agenda
+- 1.4. Note the status of minutes for the previous Council meeting per the 
GNSO Operating Procedures:
Minutes of the GNSO Council meetings 23 January 2014 were posted as approved on 
17 February 2014.
+- Item 2: Opening Remarks / Review of Projects & Action List (10 mins)

Review focus areas and provide updates on specific key themes / topics
Include review of Projects List and Action List.
+- Comments or questions arising.
Action: note a diary entry to review the list prior to each meeting - and 
forward to the ISPCP list
Item 3: Consent agenda (0 mins)

+- Item 4: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – GNSO Engagement with the work of the ICANN 
Strategy Panels (15 mins)

+- Here the Council will receive an update on any relevant interaction with and 
output from the strategy panels and discuss any appropriate action going 
forward.

+- Update:
+- Strat Panels are out for comment

~ icann.org > En > News > Public-comment > Strategy-panels-25feb14-en
~ icann.org > En > News > Announcements > Announcement-2-25feb14-en
Fadi's recent update to AC/SO chairs -- on role panels and their role in the 
strategy process -- concern about top-down was discussed 

+- MSI panel --

+- 16 proposals (here's a link to my little matrix of the proposals -- arrayed 
by Goal <--> Tool and Participation <--> Policy)

~ haven2.com > Wp-content > Uploads > 2007 > 07 > PDP-Overview-GAC-GNSO-v5
+- Jonathan has reached out -- got off to a bit of a slow start -- but meetings 
2 weeks ago and yesterday

+- flag waving - we're the Council and the GNSO - your work feels as though it 
overlaps our remit - so we are very tuned to you work

Novak offered to do some kind of interview -- Jonathan was uncomfortable
+- Yesterday's meeting

working toward a meeting with 1/2 members of the staff (govLab) people in 
singapore

opportunity to home in on a subset of the recommendations that are more closely 
related to the policy work of the GNSO

+- 2 issues

+- "top down" concern
Jonathan: best aimed at Fadi not the MSI panel
+- Discussion
+- Berard
+- "this is something we need to talk about" reenforces the "executivification" 
of ICANN -- it's really hard for a part time person to stay above the raging 
water -- the community is becoming more professional -- this is driving some of 
our community members mad -- the more we can do to foster discussion at the 
broadest level in the community, the better

Jonathan shares concern over the raging water
Jonathan emphasises distinction between MSI content and MSI chartering
+- Amr
+- commisioning is very top down -- there is a lot of work going on -- that's 
where the changes would have to be reviewed

doesn't feel quite as concerned as others are

+- Jonathan - we have the opportunity to engage -- maybe a written response to 
the panel from the council

reaction to their work AND
work that the GNSO is doing
+- Stoll
+- we need to inform them to alert them to overlaps AND we need to inform 
administration of concerns directly

comments seem to go into a black hole
be careful in the engagement
+- Chiao
volunteers -- substantial proportion of cycles going to IG issue

registries -- implementation requirements, additional load of IG work -- 
overloaded is not just limited to volunteers in non-contracted parties.  Ry's 
and Rr's are struggling to keep up with implementation requirements in addition 
to policy-making and IG discussion.  Very hard, especially for smaller 
registries.

+- ICANN is now representing all of our voices -- will people outside of ICANN 
have a chance to talk with the community directly?  Is ICANN trying to 
represent us, rather than letting that conversation take place directly?

maybe it's time for constituencies to step out
+- Greimann
topics are very worthwhile -- also helpful to have an outside voice -- however 
i think this effort should have come in the ICANN way -- thus they have a bit 
of a birth defect because of the way they were launched -- we shouldn't be 
deferential, give advice, should be seen as comparable to the GAC

+- Greenberg
MSI - remember they were put in place to comment on the *whole* MS model, not 
just GNSO -- their remit is broader - they were asked to suggest changes - 
informed process --  they DID suggest changes and we need to embrace/refine 
their suggestions without appearing defensive

+- Followup
Jonathan will follow up with Theresa about how we can best interact with these 
panels
+- Item 5: UPDATE – PDP Working Group on Translation & Transliteration of 
Contact Information (10 mins)

The GNSO Council recently initiated a Policy Development Process (PDP) on the 
Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information. As part of its efforts 
to obtain broad input from the ICANN Community at an early stage of its 
deliberations, the Working Group has requested input from the Supporting 
Organizations (including the GNSO) and Advisory Committees on several questions 
relating to the issues identified in the PDP Final Issue Report.

+- 5.1 – Update (Ching Chiao)

presented by Chris Dillon - cochair
+- request for input - deadline is tomorrow
https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag
+- 5.2 – Discussion

+- Chiao - thanks Chris, encourages comments from constituencies
Action: remind ISPCP of need for input
5.3 – Next steps

+- Item 6: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – International Internet Governance Issues  (20 
mins)

Discussions and activity relating to international Internet Governance issues 
are attracting a great deal of attention in ICANN and related groups. This item 
is on the agenda to provide an opportunity for discussion within the Council 
about how this impacts the role and work of the Council and mindful of the 
scope and remit of the Council, what action the Council should or could be 
taking.

+- 4.1 – Status update (Sally Costerton)

Jonathan: what should be focusing on at Council
+- Sally:
+- several streams around IG
+- Background
+- Buenos Aires - became clear that profile of IG was increasing - triggered by 
Snowden issue

the rest of the world had "woken up"
resurfaced WCIT issues
very full IG calendar in 2014

Fadi's view - sense that there is frustration over how hard IG issues are to 
resolve

ITU - march toward their meeting late in the year -- debate around whether 
they're going to change their remit

if we don't participate others will do it for us

+- 1Net
discussion forum where debate is taking place in great detail

now has a steering committee

+- web forum is up and running -- discussion is migrating that direction -- 
much easier to follow than the overwhelming traffic on the email list

~ https://forum.1net.org/
+- CCWG
discuss and collect input
meeting weekly
goal: position by the end of March
+- email archive
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ccwg-internet-governance/
+- web page
https://community.icann.org/display/CPMMB/ICANN+Community+Preparation+for+the+Multistakeholder+Meeting+in+Brazil+Home

+- Hi Level Panel (5th panel)
+- 3 f2f meetings
December
now
May
there is to be a submission to the Brazil meeting
+- NetMundial
goal: HOW to decide, not decide
submissions of principle and framework
late April, just after Easter
hosted by Brazilian govt
4 cochairs
Hi level committee -- just met this week -- goal: good attention/attendance by 
governments
deadline for registration is tomorrow (28-Feb)
+- registration web page
~ content.netmundial.br > Interests > Expression
+- overall web page
~ netmundial.br
+- Singapore
NCSG event -- starts at 10am, Friday before meeting, 10:00 - 18:00, followed by 
reception w/Fadi
Several events during the ICANN meetings
+- 4.2 – Discussion

+- Berard;
+- ccNSO: categories of participation in NetMudial meetingdon't make room for 
ccTLD managers -- is this a metaphor for the way that IG discussions aren't 
leaving room for individual members of ICANN

+- tactical - ccNSO members?
open registration meeting - everybody is welcome - first come first served 
attendance
strongly encourage participation
+- Snowden revelations provide excellent cover for political intent -- what is 
Fadi's public position on this?

Maria Farrell: John - the Montevideo statement sets out pretty clearly the 
concern re. pervasive monitoring and Internet stewardship. Fadi signed it for 
ICANN so I think it's fair to say he sees a link. Even if some use the Snowden 
revelations tactically, the fact remains that many have lost faith in the 
impartiality of the USG.

+- Costerton: get asked questions about globalization of ICANN and Snowden - we 
don't have a particular view - realization within the US govt that structures 
may need to change

need to reenforce other voices at the table
+- Richard Clark transcript -- the two issues are as far apart as one could find

~ windowsitpro.com > Identity-management > 
Richard-clarke-rsa-conference-10-observations-us-intelligence-gathering

+- Farrell
+- Board resolution on globalization - disquite on lack of consultation, yet 
more CEO appointed panels, a lot of CEO-led activity going on.  concern about 
Council role in this ad hoc series of actions by administration

+- Board chair saw a lot of email on this -- perhaps the 1net list?

~ Marika Konings: Please note that this is the email from Steve Crocker that 
Sally was referring to: 
http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/002194.html

Costerton; with her engagement hat on -- groups are to facilitate the 
discussion that you have described Maria -- they will be in Singapore and given 
a public block - Council needs to know that their role is to act as facilitator

+- Avri would very much have liked to participate the process of setting this 
up - post is coming to the list

Action: watch for that post
+- Cake:
+- is there anything that the Council or SGs should do?
reach out to communities and encourage them to participate in Netmundial
+- take a look at the BCG report
~ icann.org > En > News > Announcements > Announcement-24jan14-en
+- Chiao
congratulates Costerton on ASIAPAC engagement -- AsiaPAC members would like to 
be more engaged with the actual meetings, not just talking to people in the 
region, bring people to the meeting table and actually contribute

4.3 – Next steps

+- Item 7: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – GAC Engagement – the work of the Joint GAC / 
GNSO Consultation Group (15 mins)

Here the Council will receive an update and discuss any action going forward.
+- 7.1 – Status update
+- Amr:
+- Reviewed charter --
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gac-gnso-cg/attachments/20140212/c6e3f7b6/GAC-GNSO-final-0001.pdf
Two work streams - PDP early engagement and day to day interaction
+- 7.2 – Discussion
+- Mikey
Charter is done, proposals are in progress
7.3 – Next steps
+- Item 8: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – Forthcoming review of the GNSO (10 mins)

As part of a periodic review process that is built into the ICANN model, ICANN 
board initiated reviews of the GNSO (and the GNSO Council and related 
functions) are expected.  In order to be informed and effectively prepared for 
this work, we have begun to engage with the body that commissions such reviews 
(the structural improvements committee) through its chair, Ray Plazk.

The Council will track the planning work of the SIC and, where appropriate; 
provide relevant input to the process.  We will also prepare to undertake a 
form of self-review in a similar format to that which we expect to arise out of 
the work of the SIC.  A self-review will ensure that we are not only prepared 
for the board initiated work but also able to flag areas for potential 
improvement in as timely as possible a manner.

+- 8.1 – Update (Jennifer Wolfe)

there is no update since the last meeting -- still waiting for an update from 
Ray

Jonathan: will there be a document prior to Singapore?  Marika: nothing 
expected to be published before Singapore

8.2 – Discussion

8.3 – Next steps

+- Item 9: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – Planning for Singapore (15 mins)

Making the most out of the face-to-face meeting time available at the ICANN 
Meeting in Buenos Aires will take planning.  GNSO Council Vice Chair, David 
Cake will lead this and will be working with the Council and staff on this 
effort.

Here the Council has the opportunity to feed into plans and provide input based 
on past experience.  Included in this item will be the opportunity to shape the 
approach to and substance of the Council’s proposed meetings with other groups 
in such as the CCNSO, the GAC and the ICANN board.

+- 9.1 – Update (David Cake & Jonathan Robinson)

Cake: very much Draft,
9.2 – Discussion

+- 9.3 – Next steps

Action:  forward the draft schedule to the ISPCP list if it hasn't been already 
 --  DONE
+- Item 10:  Any Other Business (10 mins)

+- Community budget requests
+- requests from the Council:  
Council development session,
face-to-face PDP meetings (potential for facilitation),
GAC GNSO reverse liaison (placeholder)
+- ICANN Board Seat 14 – NCPH - additional Council meeting Thursday, 10 April 
2014 at 14:00 UTC
this is a placeholder for that meeting -- Glen to follow up to the list -- 
rationale for meeting
+- Note the Root Server System Advisory Committee (RSSAC) presence in Singapore
Action: schedule them with ISPCP on Tuesday?
Action: note public session to ISPCP list
+- Meeting Strategy WG has draft out for comment
+- Action: forward to ISPCP list  - DONE
~ icann.org > En > News > Public-comment > Meetings-strategy-25feb14-en
Action: comments from ISPCP? - DONE
+- Amr: EWG process -- is Issue report the same as the EWG final report?
Marika: important to separate the two.  final report due London, may be another 
round of public comment.  

There is already an initial report underway -- EWG will feed into that Issue 
Report, which will proceed to PDP because it's Board initiated 

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