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RE: [council] potential annex to Jeff's draft letter

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  • From: "Winterfeldt, Brian" <bwinterfeldt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:59:28 -0700
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Dear Volker:

Thank you for these thoughts.  Here are some quick responses in line with your 
email below.

Best regards,


Brian J. Winterfeldt

From: Volker Greimann[SMTP:VGREIMANN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:02:52 AM
To: Winterfeldt, Brian
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Subject: Re: [council] potential annex to Jeff's draft letter
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Dear Brian,

o    The rather broad scope of the current IGO INGO PDP, which considers 
"whether there is a need for special protections at the top and second level" 
of all gTLDs, has the practical effect of second guessing GAC advice with 
respect to international legal norms and public policy.  In other words, 
whether intentional or unintentional, the impact of the instant PDP is to 
challenge, or at least question, not only the GAC's proposed criteria for 
protection, but also the GAC's determination to advance protection for the 
specific two organizations that meet that criteria.
Under this scope, the PDP would not only examine the need for special 
protections in new gTLDs but also under the existing ones. One may argue 
whether this is necessary or distracting (see the next point), but I do not see 
it as directly challenging the GAC advice.
I personally would have preferred a more direct reference to the level of 
protections required. After all, the term "special protections" is not 
particularly conclusive as to what these protections are actually supposed to 
be, and also the GAC has been rather opaque on what kind of protections they 
envision. It is the duty of the GNSO to fill the GAC advice with life and I 
agree that the language describing the scope of the PDP should have been more 
clear on that.
I thought the GAC was fairly clear about its request for second-level 
protection in its September 14, 2011 

o    Please bear in mind that the GAC was careful to propose protections for 
Red Cross designations, Olympic words and a finite list of IGO acronyms for new 
gTLDs only.  I cannot recall anyone ever recommending or requesting such 
protection in all existing gTLDs as well.  Thus, the Council's response to the 
GAC needs to fully explain any underlying rationale for the unilateral decision 
to broaden the scope of the instant PDP well beyond GAC advice to include 
existing gTLDs.
While I also cannot recall any such request or recommendation, I fail to see 
why new gTLD should be treated differently from existing gTLDs. If it is 
determined that a form of special protection is necessary, why would such a 
need not also apply to existing TLDs?
If that is the reason why the PDP encompasses existing gTLDs, then it should be 
added to the response to the GAC.  It is just a guess, but perhaps their 
proposal was limited to new gTLDs to avoid overreaching or conflicts with 
existing interests in second-level registrations.

o     The Council's current draft response to the GAC seems to suggest that the 
GNSO's primary remit of policy development relating to the IOC/Red Cross is "to 
determine what, if any, exceptions (i.e. for pre-existing, non-commercial, 
and/or geographical use) should apply in the domain name context-particularly 
at the second level and in both new and existing TLDs."  If this is ultimately 
our position as a Council, then I believe it is best to gently back away from 
the current PDP, at least with respect to the Red Cross designations and 
Olympic words, in favor of something much more expeditious and narrow.
Would it not be the job of the PDP to make exactly that determination as part 
of their deliberations?
If this is the only issue, or the primary issue, with respect to these 
entities, then perhaps something other than a full PDP was in order, such as a 
"policy guidance working group" as suggested in staff's proposed policy versus 
implementation framework.

o    The proposed definition of "policy" in the letter is overbroad, subjective 
and particularly inappropriate in light of the recent policy versus 
implementation discussion framework published by ICANN policy staff.  I believe 
it is better to simply admit that there is no bright line test and recognize 
that this issue is ripe for further discussion within the ICANN community.
I would not call it inappropriate just because there is no clear line in the 
Perhaps I am wrong, but I think we can all agree that there is a strong 
divergence of opinion within the community on the definition of "policy."  I 
thought it best to acknowledge that in our response to the GAC.  In endorsing 
this letter as it is written, does everyone intend to endorse Jeff's definition 
of policy?


Volker Greimann

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