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Re: [council] updated draft letter


Thanks John,

I thought as much and that makes much more sense.

If we are OK with the letter as-is addressed to both, I will send on Monday.

Stéphane Van Gelder
Directeur Général / General manager
INDOM NetNames France
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Registry Relations and Strategy Director
NetNames
T: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 51
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Le 21 sept. 2012 à 17:45, <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> Stephane,
> 
> You did misunderstand.  I did not want to cut Bertrand out, but merely to 
> include the full Board or, if chosen, to focus on the appropriate committees. 
>  It is a nod to official responsibilities. 
> 
> You know I am the soul of propriety.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> John Berard
> Founder
> Credible Context
> 58 West Portal Avenue, #291
> San Francisco, CA 94127
> m: 415.845.4388
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [council] updated draft letter
> From: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Fri, September 21, 2012 7:28 am
> To: Thomas Rickert <rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: GNSO Council List <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Thanks Thomas.
> 
> Unless anyone objects violently, I plan to address the letter to both Ray and 
> Bertrand. After all, it was Bertrand who contacted us so it would be plain 
> rude IMO to bypass him in our response.
> 
> As a personal note, I have to admit to not understanding John's desire to cut 
> Bertrand out at all (if that's what it is - it is entirely possible I just 
> misunderstood).
> 
> Stéphane Van Gelder
> Directeur Général / General manager
> INDOM NetNames France
> ----------------
> Registry Relations and Strategy Director
> NetNames
> T: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 51
> F: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 61
> 
> 
> Le 21 sept. 2012 à 15:49, Thomas Rickert a écrit :
> 
>> Stéphane,
>> this was proposed to address John's concern. I had copied John's comment in 
>> an earlier e-mail to the list.
>> Please find below an updated letter with Ray as addressee and Bertrand in cc 
>> (as indicated at the end of the letter). 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ray Plzak
>> Chairman of the Board Structural Improvements Committee
>> 
>> Dear Ray,
>> the GNSO Council would like to thank you for the opportunity to provide 
>> feedback to your request for input on the impact of new gTLDs on ICANN's 
>> structure.
>> As you know, the Council as well as individual SGs and Constituencies have 
>> been discussing this important subject for a long time now. It has also been 
>> a topic during face to face meetings between the GNSO Council and the Board 
>> and GAC as well as with the ccNSO. Some groups have already or will respond 
>> to the Board directly and our impression is that they are confident to have 
>> taken appropriate steps to address the upcoming challenges. 
>> As far as the Council is concerned, here will most likely be quantitative 
>> and qualitative challenges. What these will be and their size can hardly be 
>> predicted. 
>> In qualitative terms, there may be new requests to form constituencies and 
>> new stakeholder groups in both houses, some of which may be 
>> re-configurations or alignments of existing groups.
>> Since this is an unknown factor, the effects on the democratic and 
>> participatory process of the Council and the response to that are yet to be 
>> seen. However, we would like to highlight that ICANN is already publishing 
>> information on how to participate (see 
>> http://gnso.icann.org/en/about/participation.htm) including information on 
>> how to form a Constituency. Thus, the information and processes are 
>> available to be inclusive 
>> In quantitative terms, challenges are more predictable in some aspects. For 
>> sure, there will be 
>> - more attention by the general pubic and Governments;
>> - more attendants at meetings, which has an impact on sizing the venues; 
>> - more groups that need administrative and technical support;
>> - more telephone conferences with more participants and more remote 
>> participation;
>> - more documents to be produced and read; 
>> - more decisions to be made and operationalized;
>> - more contractors that need to be managed;
>> - the need for ever more stringent budget management and control; and
>> - more compliance issues that need to be taken care of.
>> These quantitative challenges require managerial responses that ICANN can 
>> prepare for. Such preparations should also encompass the increased burden on 
>> volunteers to deal with even more and potentially more complex material to 
>> work on. Processes and support schemes for volunteers should be designed to 
>> best possibly avoid volunteer fatigue.
>> The unknown is what new groups will be established and what their place and 
>> role in the ICANN eco system shall be. However, additions will only lead to 
>> marginal changes that can be dealt with once they are known.
>> In summary, the GNSO Council believes that the current structure is 
>> resilient to respond to the challenges to come as long as ICANN provides the 
>> resources required to accommodate an increasing number of participants / 
>> stakeholders and their respective needs.  
>> Thank you,
>> Stéphane van Gelder
>> Chair, GNSO Council
>> 
>> cc: Bertrand de La Chapelle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 21.09.2012 um 11:18 schrieb Stéphane Van Gelder:
>> 
>>> Why Ray and not Bertrand?
>>> 
>>> Stéphane Van Gelder
>>> Directeur Général / General manager
>>> INDOM NetNames France
>>> ----------------
>>> Registry Relations and Strategy Director
>>> NetNames
>>> T: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 51
>>> F: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 61
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 21 sept. 2012 à 10:39, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :
>>> 
>>>> OK, thanks Thomas.
>>>> 
>>>> Can we send the letter out today?
>>>> 
>>>> Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>> Directeur Général / General manager
>>>> INDOM NetNames France
>>>> ----------------
>>>> Registry Relations and Strategy Director
>>>> NetNames
>>>> T: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 51
>>>> F: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 61
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Le 21 sept. 2012 à 10:31, Thomas Rickert a écrit :
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Stéphane,
>>>>> we are almost there. There was just one suggestion for a change sent by 
>>>>> John, which I have copied below:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ***
>>>>> Thomas,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As much as I like stirring the pot, I wonder if we can do one or two
>>>>> things to this letter than have less to do with its content, but its
>>>>> character.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know that Bertrand is a member of the Board Structural Improvements
>>>>> Committee, but I don't think that is what motivated his request. Neither
>>>>> is he on the New gTLD Committee.
>>>>> 
>>>>> He is likely hoping to help solve a problem, much as he tried to do in
>>>>> Cartagena at the Council dinner even before he was seated on the Board. 
>>>>> Because of that, could we address the letter to the Board overall (or
>>>>> either of its committees?) and change the opening paragraph to note the
>>>>> request from Bertrand?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hate the thought that I am getting mired in the kind of kabuki that I
>>>>> often rail about, but I am uneasy about upsetting Board comity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My two cents.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> John Berard
>>>>> Founder
>>>>> ***
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since there were no objections or comments as a response to that 
>>>>> suggestion, I propose we address the letter to the Board Structural 
>>>>> Improvements Committee (SIC), that is to say to Ray Plzak as its chair. 
>>>>> Bertrand wrote that the SIC will review the proposals and therefore it 
>>>>> should be adquate to address its chair and cc Bertrand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The content of the letter should remain unaltered, though.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In my note to the Council I reminded the group of the intention discussed 
>>>>> during out last call to submit the letter by the end of the week. May I 
>>>>> suggest that you dispatch it by COB today to allow for additional 
>>>>> comments until then?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 21.09.2012 um 10:12 schrieb Stéphane Van Gelder:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks Wolf and everyone else who has responded to Thomas' call.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are we now in a position for me to send the letter as it is now drafted?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>>>> Directeur Général / General manager
>>>>>> INDOM NetNames France
>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>> Registry Relations and Strategy Director
>>>>>> NetNames
>>>>>> T: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 51
>>>>>> F: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 61
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le 20 sept. 2012 à 22:12, <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> a 
>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The ISPCP is supporting to send out this letter
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Best regards 
>>>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>>>>>>> Im Auftrag von Thomas Rickert
>>>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 14. September 2012 16:30
>>>>>>> An: GNSO Council List
>>>>>>> Betreff: [council] updated draft letter 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>> as discussed during yesterday's call, please find below the draft 
>>>>>>> letter regarding the impact of new gTLDs on ICANN's structure including 
>>>>>>> the changes proposed by Stéphane. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Please provide your comments and suggestions as soon as you can as the 
>>>>>>> plan is to finalize the draft by the end of next week.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kind regards and have a great weekend,
>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear Bertrand,
>>>>>>> the GNSO Council would like to thank you for the opportunity to provide 
>>>>>>> feedback to your request for input on the impact of new gTLDs on 
>>>>>>> ICANN's structure.
>>>>>>> As you know, the Council as well as individual SGs and Constituencies 
>>>>>>> have been discussing this important subject for a long time now. It has 
>>>>>>> also been a topic during face to face meetings between the GNSO Council 
>>>>>>> and the Board and GAC as well as with the ccNSO. Some groups have 
>>>>>>> already or will respond to the Board directly and our impression is 
>>>>>>> that they are confident to have taken appropriate steps to address the 
>>>>>>> upcoming challenges. 
>>>>>>> As far as the Council is concerned, here will most likely be 
>>>>>>> quantitative and qualitative challenges. What these will be and their 
>>>>>>> size can hardly be predicted. 
>>>>>>> In qualitative terms, there may be new requests to form constituencies 
>>>>>>> and new stakeholder groups in both houses, some of which may be 
>>>>>>> re-configurations or alignments of existing groups.
>>>>>>> Since this is an unknown factor, the effects on the democratic and 
>>>>>>> participatory process of the Council and the response to that are yet 
>>>>>>> to be seen. However, we would like to highlight that ICANN is already 
>>>>>>> publishing information on how to participate (see 
>>>>>>> http://gnso.icann.org/en/about/participation.htm) including information 
>>>>>>> on how to form a Constituency. Thus, the information and processes are 
>>>>>>> available to be inclusive 
>>>>>>> In quantitative terms, challenges are more predictable in some aspects. 
>>>>>>> For sure, there will be 
>>>>>>> - more attention by the general pubic and Governments;
>>>>>>> - more attendants at meetings, which has an impact on sizing the 
>>>>>>> venues; 
>>>>>>> - more groups that need administrative and technical support;
>>>>>>> - more telephone conferences with more participants and more remote 
>>>>>>> participation;
>>>>>>> - more documents to be produced and read; 
>>>>>>> - more decisions to be made and operationalized;
>>>>>>> - more contractors that need to be managed;
>>>>>>> - the need for ever more stringent budget management and control; and
>>>>>>> - more compliance issues that need to be taken care of.
>>>>>>> These quantitative challenges require managerial responses that ICANN 
>>>>>>> can prepare for. Such preparations should also encompass the increased 
>>>>>>> burden on volunteers to deal with even more and potentially more 
>>>>>>> complex material to work on. Processes and support schemes for 
>>>>>>> volunteers should be designed to best possibly avoid volunteer fatigue.
>>>>>>> The unknown is what new groups will be established and what their place 
>>>>>>> and role in the ICANN eco system shall be. However, additions will only 
>>>>>>> lead to marginal changes that can be dealt with once they are known.
>>>>>>> In summary, the GNSO Council believes that the current structure is 
>>>>>>> resilient to respond to the challenges to come as long as ICANN 
>>>>>>> provides the resources required to accommodate an increasing number of 
>>>>>>> participants / stakeholders and their respective needs.  
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Stéphane van Gelder
>>>>>>> Chair, GNSO Council
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 



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