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Re: [council] updated draft letter
Thanks John,
I thought as much and that makes much more sense.
If we are OK with the letter as-is addressed to both, I will send on Monday.
Stéphane Van Gelder
Directeur Général / General manager
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Le 21 sept. 2012 à 17:45, <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
> Stephane,
>
> You did misunderstand. I did not want to cut Bertrand out, but merely to
> include the full Board or, if chosen, to focus on the appropriate committees.
> It is a nod to official responsibilities.
>
> You know I am the soul of propriety.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John Berard
> Founder
> Credible Context
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>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [council] updated draft letter
> From: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Fri, September 21, 2012 7:28 am
> To: Thomas Rickert <rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: GNSO Council List <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Thanks Thomas.
>
> Unless anyone objects violently, I plan to address the letter to both Ray and
> Bertrand. After all, it was Bertrand who contacted us so it would be plain
> rude IMO to bypass him in our response.
>
> As a personal note, I have to admit to not understanding John's desire to cut
> Bertrand out at all (if that's what it is - it is entirely possible I just
> misunderstood).
>
> Stéphane Van Gelder
> Directeur Général / General manager
> INDOM NetNames France
> ----------------
> Registry Relations and Strategy Director
> NetNames
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>
> Le 21 sept. 2012 à 15:49, Thomas Rickert a écrit :
>
>> Stéphane,
>> this was proposed to address John's concern. I had copied John's comment in
>> an earlier e-mail to the list.
>> Please find below an updated letter with Ray as addressee and Bertrand in cc
>> (as indicated at the end of the letter).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray Plzak
>> Chairman of the Board Structural Improvements Committee
>>
>> Dear Ray,
>> the GNSO Council would like to thank you for the opportunity to provide
>> feedback to your request for input on the impact of new gTLDs on ICANN's
>> structure.
>> As you know, the Council as well as individual SGs and Constituencies have
>> been discussing this important subject for a long time now. It has also been
>> a topic during face to face meetings between the GNSO Council and the Board
>> and GAC as well as with the ccNSO. Some groups have already or will respond
>> to the Board directly and our impression is that they are confident to have
>> taken appropriate steps to address the upcoming challenges.
>> As far as the Council is concerned, here will most likely be quantitative
>> and qualitative challenges. What these will be and their size can hardly be
>> predicted.
>> In qualitative terms, there may be new requests to form constituencies and
>> new stakeholder groups in both houses, some of which may be
>> re-configurations or alignments of existing groups.
>> Since this is an unknown factor, the effects on the democratic and
>> participatory process of the Council and the response to that are yet to be
>> seen. However, we would like to highlight that ICANN is already publishing
>> information on how to participate (see
>> http://gnso.icann.org/en/about/participation.htm) including information on
>> how to form a Constituency. Thus, the information and processes are
>> available to be inclusive
>> In quantitative terms, challenges are more predictable in some aspects. For
>> sure, there will be
>> - more attention by the general pubic and Governments;
>> - more attendants at meetings, which has an impact on sizing the venues;
>> - more groups that need administrative and technical support;
>> - more telephone conferences with more participants and more remote
>> participation;
>> - more documents to be produced and read;
>> - more decisions to be made and operationalized;
>> - more contractors that need to be managed;
>> - the need for ever more stringent budget management and control; and
>> - more compliance issues that need to be taken care of.
>> These quantitative challenges require managerial responses that ICANN can
>> prepare for. Such preparations should also encompass the increased burden on
>> volunteers to deal with even more and potentially more complex material to
>> work on. Processes and support schemes for volunteers should be designed to
>> best possibly avoid volunteer fatigue.
>> The unknown is what new groups will be established and what their place and
>> role in the ICANN eco system shall be. However, additions will only lead to
>> marginal changes that can be dealt with once they are known.
>> In summary, the GNSO Council believes that the current structure is
>> resilient to respond to the challenges to come as long as ICANN provides the
>> resources required to accommodate an increasing number of participants /
>> stakeholders and their respective needs.
>> Thank you,
>> Stéphane van Gelder
>> Chair, GNSO Council
>>
>> cc: Bertrand de La Chapelle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 21.09.2012 um 11:18 schrieb Stéphane Van Gelder:
>>
>>> Why Ray and not Bertrand?
>>>
>>> Stéphane Van Gelder
>>> Directeur Général / General manager
>>> INDOM NetNames France
>>> ----------------
>>> Registry Relations and Strategy Director
>>> NetNames
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>>> F: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 61
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 21 sept. 2012 à 10:39, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :
>>>
>>>> OK, thanks Thomas.
>>>>
>>>> Can we send the letter out today?
>>>>
>>>> Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>> Directeur Général / General manager
>>>> INDOM NetNames France
>>>> ----------------
>>>> Registry Relations and Strategy Director
>>>> NetNames
>>>> T: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 51
>>>> F: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 61
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 21 sept. 2012 à 10:31, Thomas Rickert a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Stéphane,
>>>>> we are almost there. There was just one suggestion for a change sent by
>>>>> John, which I have copied below:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ***
>>>>> Thomas,
>>>>>
>>>>> As much as I like stirring the pot, I wonder if we can do one or two
>>>>> things to this letter than have less to do with its content, but its
>>>>> character.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that Bertrand is a member of the Board Structural Improvements
>>>>> Committee, but I don't think that is what motivated his request. Neither
>>>>> is he on the New gTLD Committee.
>>>>>
>>>>> He is likely hoping to help solve a problem, much as he tried to do in
>>>>> Cartagena at the Council dinner even before he was seated on the Board.
>>>>> Because of that, could we address the letter to the Board overall (or
>>>>> either of its committees?) and change the opening paragraph to note the
>>>>> request from Bertrand?
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate the thought that I am getting mired in the kind of kabuki that I
>>>>> often rail about, but I am uneasy about upsetting Board comity.
>>>>>
>>>>> My two cents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> John Berard
>>>>> Founder
>>>>> ***
>>>>>
>>>>> Since there were no objections or comments as a response to that
>>>>> suggestion, I propose we address the letter to the Board Structural
>>>>> Improvements Committee (SIC), that is to say to Ray Plzak as its chair.
>>>>> Bertrand wrote that the SIC will review the proposals and therefore it
>>>>> should be adquate to address its chair and cc Bertrand.
>>>>>
>>>>> The content of the letter should remain unaltered, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my note to the Council I reminded the group of the intention discussed
>>>>> during out last call to submit the letter by the end of the week. May I
>>>>> suggest that you dispatch it by COB today to allow for additional
>>>>> comments until then?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 21.09.2012 um 10:12 schrieb Stéphane Van Gelder:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Wolf and everyone else who has responded to Thomas' call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are we now in a position for me to send the letter as it is now drafted?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>>>> Directeur Général / General manager
>>>>>> INDOM NetNames France
>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>> Registry Relations and Strategy Director
>>>>>> NetNames
>>>>>> T: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 51
>>>>>> F: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 61
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 20 sept. 2012 à 22:12, <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx> a
>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ISPCP is supporting to send out this letter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>> Im Auftrag von Thomas Rickert
>>>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 14. September 2012 16:30
>>>>>>> An: GNSO Council List
>>>>>>> Betreff: [council] updated draft letter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>> as discussed during yesterday's call, please find below the draft
>>>>>>> letter regarding the impact of new gTLDs on ICANN's structure including
>>>>>>> the changes proposed by Stéphane.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please provide your comments and suggestions as soon as you can as the
>>>>>>> plan is to finalize the draft by the end of next week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards and have a great weekend,
>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Bertrand,
>>>>>>> the GNSO Council would like to thank you for the opportunity to provide
>>>>>>> feedback to your request for input on the impact of new gTLDs on
>>>>>>> ICANN's structure.
>>>>>>> As you know, the Council as well as individual SGs and Constituencies
>>>>>>> have been discussing this important subject for a long time now. It has
>>>>>>> also been a topic during face to face meetings between the GNSO Council
>>>>>>> and the Board and GAC as well as with the ccNSO. Some groups have
>>>>>>> already or will respond to the Board directly and our impression is
>>>>>>> that they are confident to have taken appropriate steps to address the
>>>>>>> upcoming challenges.
>>>>>>> As far as the Council is concerned, here will most likely be
>>>>>>> quantitative and qualitative challenges. What these will be and their
>>>>>>> size can hardly be predicted.
>>>>>>> In qualitative terms, there may be new requests to form constituencies
>>>>>>> and new stakeholder groups in both houses, some of which may be
>>>>>>> re-configurations or alignments of existing groups.
>>>>>>> Since this is an unknown factor, the effects on the democratic and
>>>>>>> participatory process of the Council and the response to that are yet
>>>>>>> to be seen. However, we would like to highlight that ICANN is already
>>>>>>> publishing information on how to participate (see
>>>>>>> http://gnso.icann.org/en/about/participation.htm) including information
>>>>>>> on how to form a Constituency. Thus, the information and processes are
>>>>>>> available to be inclusive
>>>>>>> In quantitative terms, challenges are more predictable in some aspects.
>>>>>>> For sure, there will be
>>>>>>> - more attention by the general pubic and Governments;
>>>>>>> - more attendants at meetings, which has an impact on sizing the
>>>>>>> venues;
>>>>>>> - more groups that need administrative and technical support;
>>>>>>> - more telephone conferences with more participants and more remote
>>>>>>> participation;
>>>>>>> - more documents to be produced and read;
>>>>>>> - more decisions to be made and operationalized;
>>>>>>> - more contractors that need to be managed;
>>>>>>> - the need for ever more stringent budget management and control; and
>>>>>>> - more compliance issues that need to be taken care of.
>>>>>>> These quantitative challenges require managerial responses that ICANN
>>>>>>> can prepare for. Such preparations should also encompass the increased
>>>>>>> burden on volunteers to deal with even more and potentially more
>>>>>>> complex material to work on. Processes and support schemes for
>>>>>>> volunteers should be designed to best possibly avoid volunteer fatigue.
>>>>>>> The unknown is what new groups will be established and what their place
>>>>>>> and role in the ICANN eco system shall be. However, additions will only
>>>>>>> lead to marginal changes that can be dealt with once they are known.
>>>>>>> In summary, the GNSO Council believes that the current structure is
>>>>>>> resilient to respond to the challenges to come as long as ICANN
>>>>>>> provides the resources required to accommodate an increasing number of
>>>>>>> participants / stakeholders and their respective needs.
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Stéphane van Gelder
>>>>>>> Chair, GNSO Council
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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