RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP

[Adrian Kinderis <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think the difficulty here is that SVG perhaps has to understand that he will 
ALWAYS be seen as the Chair.

He may need to accept the fact that this may retard his abilities to be 
represented for fear of it being a reflection of his position, no matter how 
much he tells journo's otherwise.

I think it is part of the acceptance of the Chair position.

It certainly is with ICANN. Steve Crocker will now NOT be able to speak 
regarding as a representative of his company. It will always be as ICANN Chair, 
whether he likes it or not. I think Bruce Tonkin does this well.

Just something that SVG will have to be careful of IMO.

Thanks.

Adrian Kinderis


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Rosette, Kristina
Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 6:15 AM
To: Stéphane Van Gelder; Tim Ruiz
Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP


Stephane,

Thank you for confirming.   The article identifies you only as GNSO Council 
Chair.  That is certainly a point worth taking up with the publication. 

The fact of the matter is, though, that when any GNSO Council Chair (regardless 
of who or when) is invited to speak at an event due in whole or part because of 
that title, it will likely be very difficult to ensure that all of that 
person's remarks are reported on a "speaking in a personal capacity basis."   
The persons who contacted me about the article did not know that you were 
speaking in a personal capacity and, as they do not spend as much time in 
ICANNland as we do, don't know who you are other than GNSO Council Chair (e.g., 
which company you're associated with).

As for mistrust within Council, let's save that topic for another time.

K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:49 AM
To: Tim Ruiz
Cc: Rosette, Kristina; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP

Kristina,

I'm as disappointed in that press report you have produced, as I am that you 
could think I would say something like that as GNSO Chair…

My first sentence of that day, which of course was not quoted (Managing IP 
never spoke to me or asked to interview me - I did not even know they were in 
attendance), but which Zahid, David and others who were in the room can 
confirm, was that I was not speaking as GNSO Chair but as general manager of 
INDOM.

I understand that in the current climate of mistrust that some seem intent on 
maintaining within the Council, I need to make such clarifications every time I 
say anything to anyone, anywhere, and so will continue to do so because that is 
what the role of Chair demands.

However I don't share your view that some reading that article would think I 
was speaking as GNSO Chair. Quite the contrary, most people seem to clearly 
understand that even though I am the current GNSO Chair, in my normal working 
day, I represent the company I work for and not anyone, or anything else. 

Stéphane



Le 3 oct. 2011 à 16:51, Tim Ruiz a écrit :

> Hopefully the clarification about my comment will help.
> 
> Tim
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP
> > From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@xxxxxxx>
> > Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 9:43 am
> > To: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: "council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > 
> > A number of people in my world interpreted the motion and intro text to 
> > mean it had GAC support.
> > Â
> > As for Stephane�s comments, I hope not. Stephane?Ã≠  Unfortunately, 
> > however, he�s identified in the article as being GNSO Council Chair 
> > so people reading the article will likely assume that he was speaking for 
> > (or with the endorsement of) the Council.
> > om: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:20 AM
> > To: Rosette, Kristina
> > Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP Â 
> > No one ever said the GAC endorsed the RrSG motion. And I doubt 
> > highly that Stephane presented his comments as the view of the Council.
> > 
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP
> > > From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@xxxxxxx>
> > > Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 8:37 am
> > > To: "'council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "The GNSO's van Gelder concluded that brands must ensure that there is 
> > > sufficient demand before proceeding with their application.Ã∞�  'Don't 
> > > forget the sales channel and the marketing part of the TLD.Ã∞�  You 
> > > must butter up the registrars,' he said."
> > > Ã∞� 
> > > I don't believe I got that memo.Ã∞�  Perhaps it got lost along with 
> > > the memo to the GAC seeking its endorsement of the RrSG motion . . .
> > > Ã∞� 
> > > Ã∞� 
> > > Ã∞� 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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