RE: [council] Remote Participation for Senegal

["Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

It would depend on the location. In some cases it may be principles
related to personal freedoms. In others, it may be principles related to
ecology and/or use of resources. And in others it may be a National
principle, such as in the USA regarding certain countires considered to
be terrorist friendly.


Tim

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [council] Remote Participation for Senegal
> From: William Drake <william.drake@xxxxxx>
> Date: Thu, July 21, 2011 6:54 am
> To: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> Hi Tim
> 
> Not sure if you were suggesting that I was criticizing someone, but just in 
> case: I wasn't. 
> 
> I am trying to understand the issues, and yes,expressing disappointment with 
> the consequences, which is different and not personal.
> 
> What for example would be the issue of principle rationale?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> BD
> 
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:45 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:
> 
> > I am sure that there are many reasons why some of us may ultimately not
> > go, some may be prevented by the issues Adrian pointed out, and others
> > may choose not to for personal reasons - issues of principle, health
> > issues, etc.
> > 
> > But one thing is for sure, none of us are responsible for the conditions
> > that exist in different parts of the world. And none of us are being
> > compensated for our participation outside of travel reimbursement for
> > those who decide to accept it (BTW, I no longer do). So NOT ONE of us
> > can or should be criticized directly or indirectly for not attending
> > this meeting, or any other, in person.
> > 
> > On a different note, these types of ICANN meetings are not necessary to
> > "engage" all parts of the world. I have no doubt there are much
> > effective ways to engage various parts of world than these meetings.
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: Re: [council] Remote Participation for Senegal
> > > From: William Drake <william.drake@xxxxxx>
> > > Date: Thu, July 21, 2011 6:29 am
> > > To: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Cc: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> > > <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > 
> > > So are the insurance policies such that basically all of Africa off 
> > > limits other than MENA and SA?
> > > 
> > > We're setting global policies that Africans have to live with, seems 
> > > unfortunate if engaging them is off limits..
> > > 
> > > 
> > > B
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Adrian Kinderis wrote:
> > > From what I understand it is �not able�. Insurance and travel 
> > > restrictions to the region don�t allow it.
> > >   
> > > Of course, there are many that would �not prefer to� given the above.
> > >   
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> > >   
> > > From:  William Drake [mailto:william.drake@xxxxxx]  
> > > Sent:  Thursday, 21 July 2011 9:21 PM
> > > To:  Adrian Kinderis
> > > Cc:  Tim Ruiz;  council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject:  Re: [council] Remote Participation for Senegal
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Hi Adrian
> > >   
> > > 
> > > Do you mean "to not be able" or "to not prefer"?
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > Just wondering how high the special barrier some folks face is�
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > Bill
> > >   
> > > On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Adrian Kinderis wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This makes me mad.
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > I am not mad at Tim, far from it.
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > But why ICANN continually chooses places that forces key stakeholders and 
> > > contributors to not be able to participate to the fullest.
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > Crazy.
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > Here�s an idea. Let�s build a remote site and EVERYONE go there...
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > LA Marriott anyone?
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > Adrian Kinderis
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > From:  owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx  
> > > [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]  On Behalf Of  Tim Ruiz
> > > Sent:  Thursday, 21 July 2011 3:24 AM
> > > To:  council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject:  [council] Remote Participation for Senegal
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > Glen,
> > > 
> > > Can you provide an update of on the expected availability of remote
> > > participation for Senegal?
> > > 
> > > Also to all, if there is any movement toward a US or EU remote
> > > participation base, I would be up for that and doing what I could to
> > > help cover costs. I think John was asking about this earlier. Any
> > > interests?
> > > 
> > > Either way, after further consideration I think I may be attending only
> > > remotely.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Tim
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