Re: [council] Fwd: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yup, that's the general gist of what I said to Heather as well, including the 
fact that Thursday sounded so difficult to me for the Council to accommodate 
that I didn't think it would work.

Happy to insist on some face time with the GAC if the Council feels it wants to 
push the issue. But in the end, if they feel overstreched and would like to 
give the GNSO a miss this time around, it may be difficult to force them to see 
us.

Stéphane



Le 12 juin 2011 à 12:47, William Drake a écrit :

> Hi from Singapore
> 
> Hot and humid here, you've been warned…
> 
> I have to admit I'm puzzled that GAC has time to meet with the Board, ALAC, 
> ccNSO, registrars, SSAC, & review teams but none to meet with the Council.  
> Meanwhile dangling in the wind are some of the ideas floated in SF (sorry, 
> SV) such as having a joint team to explore options for including them 
> earlier/better in GNSO work, establishing liaisons with SGs, etc.  I'd have 
> thought these and other ideas merited follow up.  So if the most we can get 
> is an informal discussion, I'd be in favor of it.  But Thursday looks lousy, 
> with public participation,  IGF & JAS (at the same time, a huge pity for some 
> of us), Council round up and the forum; the only open slots I see would be 
> breakfast meeting (horrid) or the lunch break (for those who can skip Getting 
> Ready).
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> BIll
> 
> On Jun 11, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> 
>> Councillors,
>> 
>> As I mentioned before, the GAC has requested that we not hold our usual 
>> meeting with them in Singapore. I have continued to discuss this with 
>> Heather, and she has sent me the following suggestion:
>> 
>>> Hi Stéphane,
>>> 
>>> I do understand.  The GAC is also reluctant but we have been very stretched 
>>> for some time and haven't been able to meet with other communities.  There 
>>> also now 2 Review Teams in addition to dealing with the previous RT 
>>> recommendations.  It goes on and on.
>>> 
>>> Let 's try to arrange an informal discussion - perhaps on the Thursday?  
>>> I'm not sure what all is scheduled for Thur. though I know  a few of us 
>>> have a lunch meeting and there is also the session on developing countries.
>>> 
>>> Heather  
>> 
>> 
>> I don't think an informal meeting is really what we want. Plus, I think at 
>> this late stage it would be hard to organise. What does the Council think?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Stéphane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Début du message réexpédié :
>> 
>>> De : <Heather.Dryden@xxxxxxxx>
>>> Date : 10 juin 2011 23:24:20 HAEC
>>> À : <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Objet : RE: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore
>>> 
>>> Hi Stéphane,
>>> 
>>> I do understand.  The GAC is also reluctant but we have been very stretched 
>>> for some time and haven't been able to meet with other communities.  There 
>>> also now 2 Review Teams in addition to dealing with the previous RT 
>>> recommendations.  It goes on and on.
>>> 
>>> Let 's try to arrange an informal discussion - perhaps on the Thursday?  
>>> I'm not sure what all is scheduled for Thur. though I know  a few of us 
>>> have a lunch meeting and there is also the session on developing countries.
>>> 
>>> Heather   
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 12:03 PM
>>> To: Dryden, Heather: SPS
>>> Subject: Re: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore
>>> 
>>> Hi Heather,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your email.
>>> 
>>> I would rather not postpone our Singapore meeting with the GAC obviously, 
>>> because I know the GNSO considers those meetings as very valuable.
>>> 
>>> However I also understand that the GAC's Singapore schedule is probably so 
>>> hectic you need to find time somewhere.
>>> 
>>> Would it be helpful to have an informal discussion between the GAC and GNSO 
>>> Chairs and VCs in Singapore?
>>> 
>>> Stéphane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 6 juin 2011 à 23:25, <Heather.Dryden@xxxxxxxx> <Heather.Dryden@xxxxxxxx> 
>>> a écrit :
>>> 
>>>> Dear Stéphane,
>>>> 
>>>> I believe that we currently have 11 - 12.30 on the Wednesday scheduled for 
>>>> a GNSO/GAC meeting in Singapore.  I would like to propose that we postpone 
>>>> the meeting until Senegal and perhaps schedule a longer meeting of 2 or 3 
>>>> hours to permit a more in-depth discussion of how the GAC and the GNSO 
>>>> respectively conduct their work.  This would allow the GAC to better 
>>>> prepare for a discussion of working methods (for example, how the GAC 
>>>> arrives at consensus views, what we consider to be consensus etc.).  This 
>>>> would also provide the GNSO with the opportunity to describe/explain how 
>>>> you do what you do, the implications of the new structure and  how the 
>>>> GNSO approaches policy development.
>>>> 
>>>> In Singapore, the GAC will be looking at ways to organize its work, 
>>>> including how it works with other parts of the community and prepares for 
>>>> meetings.  I will seek GAC representatives to come forward and lead on the 
>>>> GNSO for the GAC.  Either way, I would be happy to meet with you in 
>>>> Singapore (and hopefully the GAC vice-chairs could join if GAC volunteers 
>>>> have not yet been identified) to share some thoughts.  
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to move to greater preparation for all the GAC face-to-face 
>>>> meetings (including times when the GAC is meeting by itself), with the 
>>>> support of the new GAC secretariat, so that discussions can be more 
>>>> focused when we do meet in person.          
>>>> 
>>>> Do let me know what your thoughts are...
>>>> 
>>>> Many thanks and see you soon,
>>>> Heather
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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