RE: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF

["Mary Wong" <Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

While I think it's generally a good idea for the various SO and AC
Chairs to have opportunities to get to know each other (and therefore
work together) better, I'd like to know more about the purpose of this
particular meeting before agreeing (or not). In particular, why two days
and what is planned in terms of agenda, outcomes etc. - I'm assuming
it's more than just a social "meet-greet-and-informal chat".
 
If this meeting does go forward, then I agree with others that it ought
to be recorded and/or transcribed, and a summary/report provided to each
of the ACs and SOs (well, we can't tell the other groups what to do so
at the very least the GNSO ought to have such a summary/report
provided).
 
Cheers
Mary

 
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From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>, TimRuiz
<tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
CC:GNSO Council <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 1/19/2011 12:28 PM
Subject: RE: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF

I think the message is a little bit different and I am not sure about
the comment "this meeting will happen anyway."  If the GNSO does not
like the idea of this happening, then yes, you should not go as the
Chair of the SO.  In addition, a message should be sent to Rod and the
ICANN Board with the GNSO's view on these types of meeting and that some
in the community do not believe this helps with accountability and
transparency.

Its hard to justify having us all complain to the ICANN Board about a
non-open and transparent GAC meeting on new TLDs, but in the same vein
agreeing to a non-open and transparent SO/AC Chairs meeting with ICANN
staff.


Jeffrey J. Neuman 
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy


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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:10 PM
To: Tim Ruiz
Cc: GNSO Council
Subject: Re: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF


Thanks Tim, Wendy, Jeff for your comments.

Just a few clarifications.

This is being proposed by Rod. It is not the Chairs proposing.

I'm sure there will be extra costs involved. Two extra days are bound
to cost something.

Also, I think it is unrealistic to imagine that the Chairs would be
there solely in their own capacity. They are being invited as Chairs of
their respective SOs and ACs in the first place, after all. But I agree
they certainly should not be carrying any group message when they go.

Plus we should bear in mind that this meeting will probably happen even
if the GNSO is against it. So do we want to be the only ones not going?

Anyway, I am glad this discussion is starting. I hope Staff can address
the valid points you are all making. In the meantime, the message I am
getting is that the Council does not want me to take part.

Stéphane

Le 19 janv. 2011 à 17:49, Tim Ruiz a écrit :

> Two days for an informal meet and greet? There must be some other
> agenda. And what does negligible mean? 
> 
> IMHO, if the Chairs want to make a date and show up early to chat,
etc.
> that's fine with me as long as 1) there is no additional cost to
ICANN,
> meaning ZERO, and 2) it is understood that they are there in their
own
> capacity and not acting on behalf of their SO/AC.
> 
> 
> Tim  
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF
> From: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, January 19, 2011 9:50 am
> To: GNSO Council <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
> Councillors,
> 
> FYI, Rod is inviting the SO and AC Chairs to a 2-day meeting prior
to
> the ICANN SF meeting. The idea is to have informal discussions and
to
> help the SO and AC Chairs get to know each other better.
> 
> I have not agreed to going yet, but have asked what the cost of the
> meeting would be, which part of the ICANN meeting this would come
from,
> whether the meeting would be official?
> 
> I am told the additional costs would be negligible and part of the
ICANN
> meeting budget.
> 
> If anyone is opposed to me going, please say so.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Stéphane
> 






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