Re: [council] Council/Chair interaction

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

For the same reasons?

Stéphane

Le 19 janv. 2011 à 18:18, Rosette, Kristina a écrit :

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> make that three . . .  
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:16 PM
> To: Tim Ruiz
> Cc: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [council] Council/Chair interaction
> 
> 
> No, I do understand your concerns, they are clear. I was just trying to bring 
> extra clarity to why I have proposed this.
> 
> Could other Councillors please comment? So far we have two very clear "NOs" 
> and no other reaction...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> Le 19 janv. 2011 à 18:12, Tim Ruiz a écrit :
> 
>> Those types of things can all be handled easily without a new list. I 
>> think we understand what you are proposing very well. I don't think 
>> you fully understand our concerns and perhaps this should be a topic 
>> for our next Council meeting.
>> 
>> I do not support such a list, but if it happens as an official ICANN 
>> supported/funded list it should be archived, and archived in near real 
>> time. In addition, the "leadership" of each SG/C should be certain to 
>> get clear with its SG/C exactly how or if it will represent them in 
>> this new list.
>> 
>> Certainly, if the various "leaders" want to get together whether on 
>> the phone, some other non-ICANN supported/funded list, etc. to discuss 
>> this or that, they don't need the Council's permission as long it's 
>> understood that each is acting in their own capacity unless they have 
>> gotten appropriate direction otherwise.
>> 
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [council] Council/Chair interaction
>> From: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Wed, January 19, 2011 10:57 am
>> To: tim@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> 
>> Adrian, Tim,
>> 
>> Needless to say I am surprised by your reaction to something that 
>> seems (to me) as innocuous as a mailing list.
>> 
>> Maybe it would be helpful for me to go into more detail about why I 
>> think this is useful, and provide examples.
>> 
>> One example that comes to my mind is that there could be benefit to 
>> the Council leadership and C and SG leadership in coordinating 
>> submissions to the budget requests. For example, one constituency 
>> might have a good idea about a budget item that they plan to submit as 
>> a request. Another group might also want to submit the same request, 
>> if they knew it was being suggested by one group. As a separate 
>> entity, the Council might also be in that situation. The budget 
>> request procedure is new this year (we were sent the forms a while 
>> back by Glen, I have asked for guidance and more information on how to 
>> use them and will keep the Council informed when I get that). This 
>> kind of thing might help us manage this kind of process better.
>> 
>> Another possible example might be in planning for public meetings. For 
>> example, there has been uncertainty about whether the contracted and 
>> non-contracted party houses should meet (separately) on either 
>> Saturday or Sunday... Olga can tell us how this is shaping up for the 
>> SF meeting, but I can tell you from first-hand experience of working 
>> on planning our meetings with Glen for the past year that this has 
>> always been difficult to handle.
>> 
>> Another point I would make is that this is consistent with the 
>> proposal that came out of the OSC's CCT work team (which is now 
>> closed) which pointed out the need for greater inter SO and AC 
>> communication and better communication with the Board.
>> 
>> As Councillors, we obviously feel (and rightly feel I think) that it 
>> is our job to liaise with our respective groups. But I think there 
>> could be other, non-policy-specific matters where coordination would 
>> be of benefit and would probably lighten the load on the Council as a 
>> whole, if the leaders handle that.
>> 
>> I hope this is helpful for you to better understand the way I am 
>> looking at this and why I think it is useful. Please understand that I 
>> have no religion on this. I merely proposed this to try and improve 
>> communications and processes as I have just described. This list can 
>> be deleted at once if the Council as a whole decides it should be.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Stéphane
>> 
>> Le 19 janv. 2011 à 17:28, tim@xxxxxxxxxxx a écrit :
>> 
>>> 
>>> Mason has not discussed it with the wider SG, nor even the rest of the 
>>> ExCom to my knowledge.
>>> 
>>> It is the Councilors' place to have that dialogue with their SG leadership. 
>>> If there is some kind of disconnect between the Councilors and their SG 
>>> then that needs to be resolved by them, not by circumventing the structure 
>>> we have so painstakingly put in place.
>>> 
>>> It takes more than a straw poll to change that structure. 
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sender: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:57:53
>>> To: Tim Ruiz<tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Cc: <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: Re: [council] Council/Chair interaction
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks Tim.
>>> 
>>> How do others on the Council feel?
>>> 
>>> Tim, Adrian, please note that our Chair Mason Cole has expressed his 
>>> support for this.
>>> 
>>> Stéphane
>>> 
>>> Le 19 janv. 2011 à 14:35, Tim Ruiz a écrit :
>>> 
>>>> Was this discussed with the Council as a whole? Nothing like this 
>>>> should be done without fromal approval of the Council. For the 
>>>> record, I do not agree with this and do not believe the "Council 
>>>> leadership" was put in place to take such actions independently of the 
>>>> rest of the Council.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tim
>>>> 
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject: [council] Council/Chair interaction
>>>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>>> Date: Tue, January 18, 2011 10:44 am
>>>>> To: GNSO Council
>>>>> 
>>>>> Councillors,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wanted to inform you that I have suggested to your group Chairs that a 
>>>>> mailing list be created to link the C and SG leadership with the Council 
>>>>> leadership.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Their response was very much in favour, so a mailing list will be set up 
>>>>> for the Council leaders (Chair and VC) and the group leaders (Chair and 
>>>>> VC).
>>>>> 
>>>>> The idea is to improve informal communications between the group 
>>>>> leadership and the Council.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We are also thinking about a regular conf call at some point, but this is 
>>>>> not set in stone yet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stéphane
>>>> 
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