Re: [council] MOTION REFERRING TO THE GNSO COUNCIL OPERATIONS PROCEDURES WORK TEAM (GCOT) RECOMMENDATIONS

[William Drake <william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi 

On Nov 17, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:

> Bill,
>  
> Here’s one example:  Some people may not receive any direct financial benefit 
> from participation in GNSO work but they might receive recognition that 
> promotes their reputation and stature in the activities that they are 
> involved in whether that be in academia, in civil society, in government, or 
> whatever.  They also may be elevated in stature in groups that appreciate 
> efforts they make to promote certain positions those groups advocate.

Ah.  So there's an unwritten definition that maps with the deleted text.  And 
unlike the DOI mechanism, failure to comply with the unwritten rule can result 
in suspension.  Mildly Kafkaesque...

Like the proxy provision, this really makes no sense to me.  Leave aside the 
fact that serving on the Council usually would not count for beans in an 
academic setting, and indeed would more likely be held against someone in a 
conventional academic evaluation where engagement in policy or other earthly 
matters is regarded as a distraction from real work.   Leave aside too the 
parallel situation in civil society, where serving on Council would be regarded 
by many as evidence one's been compromised, corrupted, etc (a reality in 
various CS settings, e.g. IGF…we are suspect in the eyes of many).  Even if 
these weren't true and being on Council really did translate into being 
"elevated" in some way, then a) this would seem to apply to all Councilors, in 
which case what's the purpose of the individual declaration; b) it's not 
obvious how the prospect of elevation would relate to one's specific 
substantive judgement on anything, since presumably we'd enjoy equal fame and 
glory whether we vote for or against doing work prioritization and related 
initiatives; and c) I have no idea how to correctly state an "indirect 
interest...that may affect, or be perceived to affect" my judgment, not being 
privy at the front end to how unknown persons may someday choose to perceive or 
claim to perceive something I said.

Mary and I have just been reelected by the NCSG membership so this would be an 
apt time to make any necessary revisions to my SOI.  If someone from GCOT or 
elsewhere could please provide me with specific guidance on how I should revise 
http://gnso.icann.org/council/soi/drake-soi-17nov08.html in order to avoid the 
possibility of maybe someday running afoul of unwritten rules based on 
someone's possible perception, I would really appreciate the help.  In the 
meanwhile I will vote against the motion to approve this.

Thanks,

Bill




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>  
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of William Drake
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:12 AM
> To: GNSO Council List
> Subject: Re: [council] MOTION REFERRING TO THE GNSO COUNCIL OPERATIONS 
> PROCEDURES WORK TEAM (GCOT) RECOMMENDATIONS
>  
> Hi
>  
> On SOIs in 5.3.3---Do you have any type of commercial or non-commercial 
> interest in ICANN GNSO policy development processes and outcomes? Please 
> answer “yes” or “no.”—could someone remind me how exactly we're defining a 
> non-commercial interest?  It's good that the unworkable language on 
> intangible benefits has been deleted but I'd just like to be sure what needs 
> to be declared under the language that remains…
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Bill
>  
> On Nov 16, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Mike Rodenbaugh wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,  I am unclear whether these revisions were reviewed and approved by the 
> OSC?  If so, that should be stated clearly in the motion, that the 
> deliverables are from OSC rather than any work team underneath that Steering 
> Committee.  If not, then OSC needs to approve them and send to us.  Please 
> help to clarify this.
>  
> Thanks,
> Mike
>  
> Mike Rodenbaugh
> RODENBAUGH LAW
> tel/fax:  +1 (415) 738-8087
> http://rodenbaugh.com
>  
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:39 AM
> To: philip.sheppard@xxxxxx; ray@xxxxxxxxx; stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx
> Cc: gnso-osc-ops@xxxxxxxxx; gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [council] MOTION REFERRING TO THE GNSO COUNCIL OPERATIONS PROCEDURES 
> WORK TEAM (GCOT) RECOMMENDATIONS
>  
> Colleagues,
> 
> The first "Resolved" of the a.m. motion (see 
> https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?18_november_motions) reads:
> 
>         RESOLVED, that the GNSO Council accepts these deliverables submitted 
> by the GCOT and approved by the OSC and directs Staff to post the 
> aforementioned document for thirty (30) days in the ICANN Public Comment 
> Forum.
> 
> I wonder whether the GCOT has submitted and the OSC has approved the proposed 
> revisions to section 5.0 in the version presented. To my knowledge the OSC 
> approval was given including  the DOI. In this case I'd like to suggest a 
> friendly amendment as follows:
> 
>         RESOLVED, that the GNSO Council accepts these deliverables submitted 
> by the GCOT and approved by the OSC and directs Staff to post the 
> aforementioned document for thirty (30) days in the ICANN Public Comment Forum
> 
> Philp's and Ray's advise would be helpful.
> 
> There are still references to DOI left in the revision which I've removed 
> (see attached).
> 
>  
> 
> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
> 
> <<GNSO Operating Procedures v2 Section 5 Proposed Revisions without DOI 15 
> Oct 2010 redline (WUK_edit).doc>>
> 
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> William J. Drake
> Senior Associate
> Centre for International Governance
> Graduate Institute of International and
>  Development Studies
> Geneva, Switzerland
> william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.williamdrake.org
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William J. Drake
Senior Associate
Centre for International Governance
Graduate Institute of International and
 Development Studies
Geneva, Switzerland
william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.williamdrake.org
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