Re: [council] RE: Notice To GNSO Council with regard to the Board Resolution addressing Vertical Integration

[Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

At the same time, we need to seek and demand finality of our working
groups as we do of the Board.  At a point, we need to call for a "final
answer" (a la Who Wants to Be a Millionaire), whether that's consensus
or "we have not reached consensus and need someone else to decide."  We
should, in our own process management, try to be clearer about setting
these timelines.

--Wendy

On 09/30/2010 09:26 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> 
> I agree with your debrief idea Adrian. As a Council, we've had a lot of 
> pressure from certain members of the community recently to make sure we only 
> position ourselves as the manager of the PD process. That's fine, but in that 
> case I agree we should get into the habit of asking the people actually 
> tasked with that process to be accountable to us.
> 
> However, in this instance I do not believe there was any wrong doing on the 
> VI WG co-chairs' behalf. My read is that they were of a mind to let the work 
> continue while there was the slightest chance of consensus happening.
> 
> I think that is the right way to go. How many times in our own recent history 
> have we seen deadlock break in the last few moments, just when it seemed all 
> hope of a consensus had been lost? If memory serves, that is actually how we 
> ended up with a bicameral structure on the Council: a last-minute compromise 
> by all involved.
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> Le 30 sept. 2010 à 12:29, Adrian Kinderis a écrit :
> 
>>
>> Just saw this... sorry that is the way I read my email (back to front... it 
>> is a down under thing...)! 
>>
>> My email still stands. I think the language needs to be included in Chuck's 
>> motion.
>>
>> Oh, I also think something needs to be said about the WG itself.
>>
>> We spent far too many hours recently debating the sending of an interim 
>> report to the Board. I suggested at the time that we should just call the 
>> report final as there was no way that consensus was going to be reached. I 
>> suggested in Brussels that consensus would not be reached. We didn't. Is 
>> what we have now any more advanced than at that point?
>>
>> Whilst we should be applauding all their hard work etc etc I think it is a 
>> flaw in the chairs to have allowed this to continue on without recognizing 
>> the end result was not going to change.
>>
>> I get that this will cause me some flak as no one is allowed to criticize 
>> anyone in the whole ICANN world but I still think this is a failure of the 
>> WG. Valuable time was waste in the pursuit of an unreachable goal.
>>
>> If we don't do debriefs of each WG as a Council we certainly should start. 
>> How do we expect to learn and grow? We certainly debrief regularly within 
>> our organization and the benefits are clearly visible.
>>
>> Thanks.  
>>
>> Adrian Kinderis
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>> Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:56 AM
>> To: Council GNSO
>> Subject: [council] FW: Notice To GNSO Council with regard to the Board 
>> Resolution addressing Vertical Integration
>>
>>
>> Please note the following communication from the co-chairs of the VI PDP
>> WG.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike O'Connor [mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:12 AM
>> To: Gomes, Chuck
>> Cc: Roberto Gaetano
>> Subject: Notice To GNSO Council with regard to the Board Resolution
>> addressing Vertical Integration
>>
>>
>>
>> To:          GNSO Council
>> From:        Roberto Gaetano and Mikey O'Connor (VI working-group co-chairs)
>> Subject:     Notice with regard to the Board Resolution addressing
>> Vertical Integration
>> ____
>>
>> In response to Section 2.11 (Vertical Integration) of the 25 September
>> 2010 resolution by the ICANN Board, we would like to notify the GNSO
>> Council that to date the Working Group has not reached a consensus view
>> on vertical integration.   
>>
>> We plan to incorporate public comments into the Interim Report and
>> provide the Council with a Final Report in advance of the Council's 18
>> November meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 


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