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FW: [council] FW: Comment on GNSO Resolution (as opposed to draft letter)
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- From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:18:01 -0400
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- Thread-topic: [council] FW: Comment on GNSO Resolution (as opposed to draft letter)
My apologies Jeff. I did not intend this to go to the Council list.
Chuck
From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 12:27 PM
To: Neuman, Jeff; Mary Wong; GNSO Council
Subject: RE: [council] FW: Comment on GNSO Resolution (as opposed to draft
letter)
Jeff,
It seems to me that you should determine whether the RySG supports your concern
just like Mary did with the NCSG.
I, for one, think what you are proposing would impede the Council. If every
time an amendment is made there needs to be comment period, where does it end?
If we cannot trust our representatives with some common sense, then we have
bigger problems.
Chuck
From: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 12:18 PM
To: Mary Wong; GNSO Council; Gomes, Chuck
Subject: RE: [council] FW: Comment on GNSO Resolution (as opposed to draft
letter)
Thanks Mary. I cannot post to the Council list, so I ask you to post my reply.
I appreciate your sentiments, but I think the language is too broad and may be
used by some for purposes other than which you intended. Perhaps these things
do not need to go out for a “public comment” period as we normally think of
those words, but there should be time to discuss with our stakeholder groups
especially if it relates to policy. The fact that your proposed amendment was
discussed by the NCSG prior to meeting is great for your SG, but it was never
discussed with our SG and in fact, the resolution does not even really relate
to the substance of string similarity. If anything, it should not have been an
amendment, but rather should have been a wholly new motion and separately
addressed. We need to focus on issues as a community. We need to have a cross
stakeholder group list where these issues can be discussed in the open rather
than being surprised at a Council meeting that one SG wants an amendment added
to a motion. I will ask, as I do every year, for a new mailing list to be set
up that facilitates true cross-community communication.
The other issue is that when the GNSO Council sends a letter, or even the Chair
sends a letter, there is an assumption and perception that the entire GNSO
Community supports the substance of what has been communicated. One only needs
to look at ICANN staff reports that refer to letters that have been submitted
in the past to see this is the case. So, if others non-GNSO community members
are going to assume that when such a letter is sent that it is supported by the
GNSO community, isn’t there an obligation by the GNSO Council to make sure that
it actually is.
My goal is not to impede the Council, but rather to ensure the appropriate
level of feedback from each of the SGs. Does that mean things may take more
time? Sure. But I have yet to see any circumstance the Council has acted on
that was of sufficient urgency that at least some time period of consultation
could not be afforded.
Thanks for your consideration.
Jeffrey J. Neuman
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
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From: Mary Wong [mailto:MWong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:36 AM
To: GNSO Council; Chuck Gomes
Cc: Neuman, Jeff
Subject: Re: [council] FW: Comment on GNSO Resolution (as opposed to draft
letter)
Thanks for forwarding this, Chuck.
Jeff and everyone, as the person who proposed the "FURTHER RESOLVED" language
in the resolution, let me explain that my intent was most definitely not to
elevate the Council's role, much less to lessen the importance and input from
the community that the Council represents. Although this particular resolution
(and accompanying letter) dealt with an issue of huge importance to everyone, I
was concerned that it could be taken in the future as an indication that
everything the Council sends out to any ICANN Board/staff member, constituent
or other body must necessarily first be subject to a public comment period.
In other words, my thought was that the Council should not be impeded in its
discussions or decisions by a "requirement" that, while not mandated by any
bylaw or operating rule/procedure, becomes - through time and/or practice - a
rule, especially as Council letters may concern a wide variety of topics (from
coordination with other ACSOs to substantive major issues like this particular
one).
I fully agree that the Council not only represents the GNSO community, but must
act in full consultation with it and that each Councillor ought to act in the
best interests of the community he/she represents. This is especially so in the
new GNSO environment, where the Council is clearly not supposed to be a
legislative body but more of a management team.
Finally, you may be interested to know that my addition to the resolution was
discussed among, and approved by, the NCSG prior to the Council meeting. As
such, it was something I proposed as a representative of the views of the
community that I was elected by!
I hope this clarifies matters somewhat.
Cheers
Mary
Mary W S Wong
Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs
Franklin Pierce Law Center
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Concord, NH 03301
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From:
"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:
"GNSO Council" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
CC:
"Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date:
6/15/2010 10:58 AM
Subject:
[council] FW: Comment on GNSO Resolution (as opposed to draft letter)
I am forwarded this to the Council list as requested by Jeff.
Chuck
From: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:19 AM
To: bcute@xxxxxxxxxxxx; becky.burr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Cheryl Langdon-Orr; Gomes,
Chuck
Subject: FW: Comment on GNSO Resolution (as opposed to draft letter)
All,
Can I ask that this comment is submitted to the Accountability and Review Team?
It is submitted in response to the GNSO Resolution on String Similarity.(
http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-11jun10-en.htm) and more
particularly to the specific GNSO Resolution in posting the letter out for
comment.
Chuck – Can you also please post to the Council for me as well?
Thanks.
Jeffrey J. Neuman
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
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From: Neuman, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:15 AM
To: string-similarity-amendment@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: Neuman, Jeff
Subject: Comment on GNSO Resolution (as opposed to draft letter)
All,
This comment is being submitted in my personal capacity and not on behalf of my
employer, Neustar, Inc., or the Registries Stakeholder Group. In addition, my
comment is not on the draft letter itself, as those comments, if any, will be
submitted through the RySG, but rather relates to the resolution passed by the
GNSO Council requesting that the letter go out for public comment.
More specifically, at the last minute, and without any discussion by the
community, the GNSO Council included the following language:
“FURTHER RESOLVED, that this motion shall not serve as a precedent requiring
the GNSO Council to adhere to a public comment period requirement for any
future GNSO Council letters.”
Not only has no explanation been given for this last minute addition, but I
believe the statement is fundamentally flawed on a number of different levels.
It is not the GNSO Council’s role to decide what does and does not go out for
public comment when it relates to policy (as this letter clearly does). That
role should be specifically reserved for the GNSO community. The GNSO
Council’s authority, as documented in the Bylaws, is generated from the people
and communities in which it serves. This has been said over and over again,
but the Council is NOT a legislature that has the right to make proclamations,
policy decisions, etc., without having to go back to the GNSO community. This
is supposed to be a bottom-up organization where policy is developed through
individuals, working groups, experts, etc. and then brought to the Council for
it to manage, not the other way around. To the extent that any “letters” are
submitted by the Council to any external party, and those letters relate to
policy, then yes they do need to go out for community input. If they merely
relate to administrative of true coordination matters, then they do not need to
go out for comment.
As one of the main catalysts for getting this letter out for public comment, I
thank the Council for doing the right thing and posting this for comment. It
is what should happen with ALL letters that relate to policy. I am not sure
why the GNSO Council felt it was necessary to include this “further
resolution”, but to the extent that it reflects the presumption that Council
does not have to go back to the community when it issues letters relating to
policy, I ask that the resolution be stricken from the record. I ask that this
issue be considered by the appropriate GNSO Improvements team and am also
submitting this separately to the Accountability and Review team for its
consideration. I would also ask that this be discussed at the Council meeting
in Brussels and would be happy to personally address during that meeting.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Jeffrey J. Neuman
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
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