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Re: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs
Hi
On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:25 PM, Mary Wong wrote:
> I agree with Kristina that it's an important issue on which there is a good
> deal of experience within the GNSO.
>
> I note that Janis' email on this issue mentioned "efficiency, credibility of
> the process, [and] budgetary limitations" as reasons for the numbers given
> for each upcoming RT. I'm not sure that an additional 2 GNSO reps will be
> detrimental to efficiency, and I should think it would actually add to the
> credibility of the process - which leaves "budgetary limitations" as the
> remaining (relatively unconvincing) reason.
It would be interesting to know if they're implying that group size generally
and having 4 GNSOers in particular has negatively impacted the efficiency and
credibility of the ATRT. That doesn't fit with my understanding of the process.
>
> In addition, and although it's true that it's suggested they each get only 1
> rep on the WHOIS RT, ccNSO and ALAC each get 2 on the SS RT. I am highly
> reluctant to get into a "us vs. them" or "who 'deserves' more slots"
> pre-selection contest amongst the ACSOs, but it seems to me as though this
> type of artificial limitation of GNSO slots - as opposed to the suggested
> default of 4 per RT - will inevitably lead us there.
Artificially creating scarce positional goods for people to fight over is
certainly an interesting approach to institutional design in a "nimble"
organization...
>
> Chuck and others more experienced at this type of thing, will it be such a
> bad strategy to ask for 4 GNSO slots (1 per SG) for each RT, but if the
> Selectors feel (strongly) differently, they should give us better reasons
> for, say, limiting the SS RT besides the general ones quoted by Janis?
I take Chuck's points on SSR that there's comparatively less variation in
perspective, that more slots for independent experts might be sensible, and
that if we end up at 2 we can probably make it work. Nevertheless, I agree
with Kristina and others that we shouldn't start by accepting 2. Unless in
exchange we can lock in 4 on each of the others as the model.
Cheers,
Bill
>
>
> >>>
> From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@xxxxxxx>
> To: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 6/8/2010 3:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO
> on the next RTs
> Unfortunately, I don't have time for anything more elaborate or detailed and
> won't until early next week.
>
> From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:00 PM
> To: Rosette, Kristina; icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on
> the next RTs
>
> I was hoping for something a little more convincing to increase the chances
> of convincing Janis. I think we have a pretty good argument for Whois.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> From: Rosette, Kristina [mailto:krosette@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:04 PM
> To: Gomes, Chuck; icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on
> the next RTs
>
>
> Important issue, extensive expertise within SGs, not as convinced as you are
> that there aren't philosophical variances among the SGs. On a more practical
> note, we've all already got too much going on without having to spend extra
> time determining which SG person goes forward.
>
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:58 PM
> To: icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on
> the next RTs
>
> Mike/Kristina,
>
> Can you provide me some rationale to support 4 on the SSR RT?
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:51 PM
> To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on
> the next RTs
>
>
> Agree w. Kristina.
>
> Mike Rodenbaugh
> RODENBAUGH LAW
> tel/fax: +1 (415) 738-8087
> http://rodenbaugh.com
>
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Rosette, Kristina
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:22 AM
> To: Gomes, Chuck; KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx; MWong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on
> the next RTs
>
>
> Agree w/r/t/ Whois and disagree w/r/t SSR.
>
> Don't believe we should be negotiating against ourselves by agreeing to two.
> Also, it seems to me that the ramifications of the selectors rejecting GNSO
> input as to participant number are potentially significant. In particular,
> the irony of doing so while the accountability and transparency review is
> underway is pretty amazing. I think that would play pretty well (against
> ICANN, that is) in a number of important fora.
> From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:33 AM
> To: KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx; Rosette, Kristina; MWong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on
> the next RTs
>
> So far, I think everyone who has commented supports Tim’s suggestion that
> there should be four GNSO members on the Whois RT and most seem to support a
> default of one rep per SG for all RTs. I personally think that we might
> maximize our chances of getting four on the Whois RT if we concede to having
> two on the SSR RT and also think that it is fairly easy to make a strong case
> for that.
>
> The Case for Four on the Whois RT
>
> Whereas Internet users across the whole ICANN community are impacted by Whois
> policy, I don’t think there is any doubt that GNSO constituents are impacted
> the most. It is gTLD registrants whose data is displayed and used. It is
> gTLD contracted parties who are required to implement Whois and who best
> understand the customer service and operational issues related to Whois
> offerings. It is commercial gTLD registrants whose businesses are affected
> when IP rights are violated. It is noncommercial users who have most often
> pointed out the need for privacy of Whois information and noncommercial
> organizations that are impacted in similar ways as commercial businesses.
>
> In addition, because of the GNSO’s long and belabored Whois policy
> development history and varied Whois operational offerings, the GNSO has the
> best source of Whois experts from various points of view. There is also good
> evidence that each SG provides a unique area of expertise and represents
> different points of view with regard to Whois policy.
>
> The Case for Two on the SSR RT
>
> I believe that the SSR RT requires a higher degree of technical expertise
> than policy expertise and is less dependent on SG areas of focus. I also
> believe that the GNSO community as well as the ICANN community is much more
> united in terms of SSR issues and hence representation from different sectors
> may not necessarily produce significantly different contributions, especially
> when compared to a topic like Whois. Particularly with regard to the GNSO,
> if each SG endorses one candidate for the SSR team as proposed, I suspect
> that the SSR RT would not be negatively impacted if the Selectors choose a
> RrSG candidate over a RySG candidate or a NCSG candidate over a CSG candidate
> or any other comparison because all of us will likely be putting forth strong
> security experts.
>
> The SSR RT may be an area where external experts may be especially helpful.
> By having fewer reps from SOs and ACs, space may be available for a few more
> experts.
>
> My Conclusion
>
> I suggest that I make the case for four GNSO reps on the Whois RT and agree
> to two on the SSR team. This might set a good precedent for asking for four
> on the New gTLD RT because that, like Whois, is a big GNSO issue and one that
> there are clear variances in points of view from each SG.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:46 AM
> To: krosette@xxxxxxx; MWong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: AW: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on
> the next RTs
>
>
> agreed!
>
>
> Regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im
> Auftrag von Rosette, Kristina
> Gesendet: Montag, 7. Juni 2010 19:46
> An: Mary Wong
> Cc: GNSO Council
> Betreff: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on
> the next RTs
>
> +1
>
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Mary Wong
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM
> Cc: GNSO Council
> Subject: Re: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on
> the next RTs
>
> I agree with Tim's arguments and suggestion for a response, and in addition
> support Bill's suggestion that all RTs start with a default distribution of 1
> rep per SG from the GNSO (with deviations being explained and justified
> according to each RT scope/topic).
>
> Cheers
> Mary
>
> Mary W S Wong
> Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs
> Franklin Pierce Law Center
> Two White Street
> Concord, NH 03301
> USA
> Email: mwong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Phone: 1-603-513-5143
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> Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at:
> http://ssrn.com/author=437584
>
>
> >>>
> From:
> William Drake <william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To:
> "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> CC:
> "GNSO Council " <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date:
> 6/7/2010 11:05 AM
> Subject:
> Re: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next
> RTs
>
> Hi
>
> It would be interesting to hear the rationale for reverting to the original
> proposal of tiny unrepresentative RTs. In any event, I strongly agree with
> Tim that there really has to be four for WHOIS, the perspectives of the SGs
> are just too variable for any two to represent the others, and the whole
> process could become a focal point of controversy. Same goes for the pending
> RT on competition and consumer issues. As for security, I agree that two may
> be relatively less problematic, but only relatively... it's more difficult to
> judge ex ante what level of agreement there is or isn't here across some SGs
> on the various issues.
>
> It'd be a lot easier if they'd just default to four across the board in order
> to ensure community representation and diverse skill sets at the table,
> rather than turning RT size into a needless source of angst.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm not too concerned about having only two seats on the Security RT,
> > but strongly oppose accepting only two seats on the Whois.
> >
> > It is perfectly reasonable to allow one seat each to the SSAC, GAC, and
> > ASO. But I think it's totally implausible to assume a well represented
> > RT with only two for the GNSO and one each for the ccNSO and the ALAC. I
> > believe we make a very strong statement insisting that each of those are
> > doubled - four for the GNSO (one for each SG, no less), two each for the
> > ccNSO and the ALAC due to the size of their memberships. That would make
> > the RT 14 members, and that is certainly workable and more realistic.
> >
> > I realize the ALAC and ccNSO can defend themselves, but given the
> > selectors concerns over the team size I think we should respond with a
> > total picture of what we think the RT should look like and why.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on
> > the next RTs
> > From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Fri, June 04, 2010 1:44 pm
> > To: <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > Please note what the AoC Selectors have proposed for the next two RTs.
> > Please provide any comments you have on this list. Time permitting, we
> > will also briefly discuss this in meeting on 10 June.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > From: owner-soac-discussion@xxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-soac-discussion@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Janis Karklins
> > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:50 PM
> > To: soac-discussion@xxxxxxxxx
> > Cc: 'Rod Beckstrom'; 'Donna Austin'; 'Olof Nordling'
> > Subject: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear colleagues
> >
> > On behalf of Selectors I would like to propose that the size and
> > composition of the two next review teams would be as follows:
> >
> > Security
> > WHOIS
> > GAC, including the Chair 2 1
> > GNSO 2
> > 2
> > ccNSO 2
> > 1
> > ALAC 2
> > 1
> > SSAC 1
> > 1
> > RSSAC 1
> > ASO 1
> > 1
> > Independent expert 1-2 2 (law
> > enforcement/privacy experts)
> > CEO 1
> > 1
> > 13-14
> > 10
> >
> > I understand that your initial suggestions/requests were not fully
> > accommodated, but for the sake of efficiency, credibility of the
> > process, budgetary limitations Selectors have developed this proposal.
> > If we would take into account all wishes, the RT size would be over 20
> > which in Selectors’ view is not credible option.
> >
> > I hope that proposal will be equally unacceptable for everybody. I would
> > appreciate your comments or expression of non-objection in coming week.
> > Only after assessment of the violence of your opposition the Selectors
> > will make their proposal (in present form or modified) public.
> >
> > Best regards
> > JK
> >
> >
>
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