RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs

["Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@xxxxxxx>]

Unfortunately, I don't have time for anything more elaborate or detailed
and won't until early next week. 


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        From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
        Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:00 PM
        To: Rosette, Kristina; icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication
with ACSO on the next RTs
        
        

        I was hoping for something a little more convincing to increase
the chances of convincing Janis.  I think we have a pretty good argument
for Whois.

        Chuck

         

        From: Rosette, Kristina [mailto:krosette@xxxxxxx] 
        Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:04 PM
        To: Gomes, Chuck; icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication
with ACSO on the next RTs

         

        Important issue, extensive expertise within SGs, not as
convinced as you are that there aren't philosophical variances among the
SGs.  On a more practical note, we've all already got too much going on
without having to spend extra time determining which SG person goes
forward.  

                 

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                From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
                Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:58 PM
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Communication with ACSO on the next RTs

                Mike/Kristina,

                Can you provide me some rationale to support 4 on the
SSR RT?

                Chuck

                 

                From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
                Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:51 PM
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                Subject: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW:
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                Agree w. Kristina.

                Mike Rodenbaugh

                RODENBAUGH LAW

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                From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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                Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:22 AM
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                Subject: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW:
Communication with ACSO on the next RTs

                 

                Agree w/r/t/ Whois and disagree w/r/t SSR.

                 

                Don't believe we should be negotiating against ourselves
by agreeing to two. Also, it seems to me that the ramifications of the
selectors rejecting GNSO input as to participant number are potentially
significant.  In particular, the irony of doing so while the
accountability and transparency review is underway is pretty amazing.  I
think that would play pretty well (against ICANN, that is) in a number
of important fora.

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                        From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
                        Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:33 AM
                        To: KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx; Rosette, Kristina;
MWong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        Subject: RE: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW:
Communication with ACSO on the next RTs

                        So far, I think everyone who has commented
supports Tim's suggestion that there should be four GNSO members on the
Whois RT and most seem to support a default of one rep per SG for all
RTs.  I personally think that we might maximize our chances of getting
four on the Whois RT if we concede to having two on the SSR RT and also
think that it is fairly easy to make a strong case for that.  

                        The Case for Four on the Whois RT

                        Whereas Internet users across the whole ICANN
community are impacted by Whois policy, I don't think there is any doubt
that GNSO constituents are impacted the most.  It is gTLD registrants
whose data is displayed and used.  It is gTLD contracted parties who are
required to implement Whois and who best understand the customer service
and operational issues related to Whois offerings.  It is commercial
gTLD registrants whose businesses are affected when IP rights are
violated.  It is noncommercial users who have most often pointed out the
need for privacy of Whois information and noncommercial organizations
that are impacted in similar ways as commercial businesses.

                        In addition, because of the GNSO's long and
belabored Whois policy development history and varied Whois operational
offerings, the GNSO has the best source of Whois experts from various
points of view.  There is also good evidence that each SG provides a
unique area of expertise and represents different points of view with
regard to Whois policy.

                        The Case for Two on the SSR RT

                        I believe that the SSR RT requires a higher
degree of technical expertise than policy expertise and is less
dependent on SG areas of focus.  I also believe that the GNSO community
as well as the ICANN community is much more united in terms of SSR
issues and hence representation from different sectors may not
necessarily produce significantly different contributions, especially
when compared to a topic like Whois.  Particularly with regard to the
GNSO, if each SG endorses one candidate for the SSR team as proposed, I
suspect that the SSR RT would not be negatively impacted if the
Selectors choose a RrSG candidate over a RySG candidate or a NCSG
candidate over a CSG candidate or any other comparison because all of us
will likely be putting forth strong security experts.

                        The SSR RT may be an area where external experts
may be especially helpful.  By having fewer reps from SOs and ACs, space
may be available for a few more experts.

                        My Conclusion

                        I suggest that I make the case for four GNSO
reps on the Whois RT and agree to two on the SSR team.  This might set a
good precedent  for asking for four on the New gTLD RT because that,
like Whois, is a big GNSO issue and one that there are clear variances
in points of view from each SG.

                        Chuck

                         

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                        Subject: AW: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW:
Communication with ACSO on the next RTs

                         

                        agreed!

                         

                         

                        Regards 
                        Wolf-Ulrich 

                         

                                 

                                
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                                Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Rosette, Kristina
                                Gesendet: Montag, 7. Juni 2010 19:46
                                An: Mary Wong
                                Cc: GNSO Council
                                Betreff: RE: [council] FW:
[soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs

                                +1

                                 

                                
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                                From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mary Wong
                                Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM
                                Cc: GNSO Council
                                Subject: Re: [council] FW:
[soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs

                                I agree with Tim's arguments and
suggestion for a response, and in addition support Bill's suggestion
that all RTs start with a default distribution of 1 rep per SG from the
GNSO (with deviations being explained and justified according to each RT
scope/topic).

                                 

                                Cheers

                                Mary

                                 

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From: 

William Drake <william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To:

"Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>

CC:

"GNSO Council " <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: 

6/7/2010 11:05 AM

Subject: 

Re: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the
next RTs


Hi

It would be interesting to hear the rationale for reverting to the
original proposal of tiny unrepresentative RTs.  In any event, I
strongly agree with Tim that there really has to be four for WHOIS, the
perspectives of the SGs are just too variable for any two to represent
the others, and the whole process could become a focal point of
controversy.  Same goes for the pending RT on competition and consumer
issues.  As for security, I agree that two may be relatively less
problematic, but only relatively... it's more difficult to judge ex ante
what level of agreement there is or isn't here across some SGs on the
various issues. 

It'd be a lot easier if they'd just default to four across the board in
order to ensure community representation and diverse skill sets at the
table, rather than turning RT size into a needless source of angst.

Bill


On Jun 7, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:

> 
> I'm not too concerned about having only two seats on the Security RT,
> but strongly oppose accepting only two seats on the Whois. 
> 
> It is perfectly reasonable to allow one seat each to the SSAC, GAC,
and
> ASO. But I think it's totally implausible to assume a well represented
> RT with only two for the GNSO and one each for the ccNSO and the ALAC.
I
> believe we make a very strong statement insisting that each of those
are
> doubled - four for the GNSO (one for each SG, no less), two each for
the
> ccNSO and the ALAC due to the size of their memberships. That would
make
> the RT 14 members, and that is certainly workable and more realistic.
> 
> I realize the ALAC and ccNSO can defend themselves, but given the
> selectors concerns over the team size I think we should respond with a
> total picture of what we think the RT should look like and why.
> 
> Tim
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [council] FW: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO
on
> the next RTs
> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Fri, June 04, 2010 1:44 pm
> To: <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Please note what the AoC Selectors have proposed for the next two RTs.

> Please provide any comments you have on this list.  Time permitting,
we
> will also briefly discuss this in meeting on 10 June.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> From: owner-soac-discussion@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-soac-discussion@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Janis Karklins
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:50 PM
> To: soac-discussion@xxxxxxxxx
> Cc: 'Rod Beckstrom'; 'Donna Austin'; 'Olof Nordling'
> Subject: [soac-discussion] FW: Communication with ACSO on the next RTs
> 
> 
> 
> Dear colleagues
> 
> On behalf of Selectors I would like to propose that the size and
> composition of the two next review teams would be as follows:
> 
>                                                    Security

>  WHOIS
> GAC, including the Chair           2                              1
> GNSO                                                2

>         2
> ccNSO                                               2

>        1
> ALAC                                                 2

>          1
> SSAC                                                  1

>           1
> RSSAC                                               1
> ASO                                                    1

>             1
> Independent expert                 1-2                          2 (law
> enforcement/privacy experts)
> CEO                                                     1

>             1
>                                                          13-14

>               10
> 
> I understand that your initial suggestions/requests were not fully
> accommodated, but for the sake of efficiency, credibility of the
> process, budgetary limitations Selectors have developed this proposal.
> If we would take into account all wishes, the RT size would be over 20
> which in Selectors' view is not credible option.
> 
> I hope that proposal will be equally unacceptable for everybody. I
would
> appreciate your comments or expression of non-objection in coming
week.
> Only after assessment of the violence of your opposition the Selectors
> will make their proposal (in present form or modified) public.
> 
> Best regards
> JK
> 
> 

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