RE: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to providing support to applicants requiring assistance in applying for and operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the Nairobi

["Andrei Kolesnikov" <andrei@xxxxxxxx>]

Rafik, yes, there are *recommended* set up ($26.000) and recurring fees (3% 
revenue) and we consider this fare deal and important thing to do.   The price 
tag question is very hot. But the misbalanced revenue sheet of ICANN is also 
real. 

What about next revolutionary thing – the ICANN investment bank to balance 
internet unfairness of this world? 

 

--andrei

 

From: Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:34 AM
To: Andrei Kolesnikov
Cc: Gomes, Chuck; Terry L Davis, P.E.; owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Stéphane 
Van Gelder; Bruce Tonkin; GNSO Council
Subject: Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop 
a sustainable approach to providing support to applicants requiring assistance 
in applying for and operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board 
Resolution 20 at the Nairobi

 

Andrei,

 

I am not sure why and how you can talk about "quality applicants", for pricing 
and fees it is legitimate to ask why such high pricing and should be discussed. 
the fear is that is only a way to keep the status quo and limit the market to 
known entities.
the IDN ccTLD is good example but I am not sure that there is a fee for the 
fast track process?http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/ . we 
shouldn't also be worried for the technical and operational side as many of 
those countries were preparing for long time to have IDNs.

 

well, I don't see in the language in the board resolution any mention that 
ICANN will subsidize applicants. my understanding is that the community should 
be original to find other entities (let's say World bank or international 
development agencies) to help and support prospective applicants from 
developing countries and other approaches too in addition to that. don't worry 
ICANN will still make profits.

 

your idea of "mature" g and cc TLD taking care of everything may interest some 
but not all. it is not sustainable and there is real desire and willing to be 
independent.

 

anyway, there are two problems : the fees costs and operations cost as defined 
by the staff. both can be fairly discussed and there are many ways to discuss 
them without lowering any standards or requirements for stability and security 
etc etc.

 

for communities looking for development and progress, humanitarian services 
aren't the response and just look as aid and assistance.  don't alienate people.

 

Regards

 

Rafik 

 

2010/3/23 Andrei Kolesnikov <andrei@xxxxxxxx>

Rafik, guys,

 

I don’t support the idea of application fee vary by “sort of applicant” – 
whatever it is: economy, nation, planet, city or non commercial foundation. 
Because this situation is bi-directional: either initial application price tag 
is too high, or ICANN discounts the idea of “quality applicants” and steps back 
for political reasons in attempt to look better. Some of us got experience of 
running the infrastructure services for many years, some runs registrar or 
registration services. It’s not that we’re better than others. Let me recall a 
very practical thing, some of our council members must remember the process. We 
just submitted the IANA application for IDN ccTLD delegation. And we took this 
project seriously – run it as due-diligence to see and submit what we have in 
place after significant legal, technical and operational upgrade. This is very 
serious - we’ve got a lot of things in place and technology is a good part of 
it. Businesses, families, social and civil services - the whole economies 
depend on this infrastructure. The worth thing – the neighborhood depends on 
how good and stable it is operated. 

But there must be a solution. This came in my discussion with Debbie - I 
personally like the idea of subsidizing developing communities or non 
commercial companies  where mature TLDs (g and cc) taking care of technical 
infrastructure, fund the application expense and provide operational support. 
Adding new TLD into well developed technical and business infrastructure adds a 
fraction of cost. 

And if there are multiple sponsors and multiple recipients, we can reach a 
certain balance. 

The good thing about it  - the sponsorship is a natural thing which requires no 
new regulations, PDP, WGs, etc. If there are enough sponsors, we can pick up 
some long waiting gTLD projects very fast. However, wouldn’t it be really cool 
if ICANN gives a green light to the first gTLDs of global humanitarian services?

 

All best, 

 

--andrei

 

--

Andrei Kolesnikov

Coordination Center for TLD .RU

Director

http://cctld.ru

 

From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Rafik Dammak
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:52 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: Terry L Davis, P.E.; owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Stéphane Van Gelder; 
Bruce Tonkin; GNSO Council


Subject: Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop 
a sustainable approach to providing support to applicants requiring assistance 
in applying for and operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board 
Resolution 20 at the Nairobi

 

Hi Chuck,


I am concerned that the only explanation that we can hear is "staff said" or 
"staff stated" or "staff explained" or "staff decided". I understand for the 
need for support form the staff but for GNSO council, there are still rooms to 
have its own vision and making decision independently from staff reports? 

 

@Alan yes the feeling is that ICANN is not listening to people from developing 
countries and get more worse when ICANN "would like" ccTLD from African region 
to participate with 3% (Idea suggested by Rod) or also to hear the "technical 
support" which will be provided by the proposed DNS-CERT (it is really 
offending and just overlapping with tasks done by regional organizations)

 

Regards

 

Rafik

 

2010/3/21 Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

I don't think anyone believes that the costs to run every registry is the same. 
 Some have higher security needs than others.  Some need a more global 
infrastructure than others.  Some have lower costs in their region and in other 
places in the world.  All have different business plans.

But the basic cost of evaluating an application, excluding any dispute 
processes that may ensue, are essentially the same for all applicants except in 
cases where the same applicant applies for multiple TLDs.  The way Staff has 
decided to impose application fees as of now, they have already built in 
subsidization of fees for single TLD applicants by those applying for multiple 
TLDs.

Chuck


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of

> rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 9:40 PM
> To: Terry L Davis, P.E.; owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> 'Stéphane Van Gelder'; 'Bruce Tonkin'
> Cc: 'GNSO Council '
> Subject: Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC -
> GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to providing
> support to applicants requiring assistance in applying for
> and operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board
> Resolution 20 at the Nairobi Meeti
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> In my point of view, it sounds that you are wrongly using the
> principle of equality in this case which looks more like
> discrimination against applicants for developing regions. Why
> you want a registry from developing regions to have the same
> budget of registry in developed country?there are a lot of
> way to cut costs.
>
> Yes, a registry in developing region can be run with respect
> to all ICANN requirements in cheaper way than in developed country.
> That is why I would like if possible that Bruce point to
> documents (if they exist) explaining in details the why of
> such requested costs for running a regisrty from ICANN
> perspective?but also for the application fees as the
> explanation of cost recovery remains vague and abstract.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Regards
>
> Rafik
> BlackBerry from DOCOMO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Terry L Davis, P.E." <tdavis2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:32:53
> To: 'St phane Van Gelder'<stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>;
> 'Bruce Tonkin'<Bruce.Tonkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: 'GNSO Council '<council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC -
> GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach to providing
> support to applicants requiring assistance in applying for
> and operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board
> Resolution 20 at the Nairobi Meeti
>
>
> Stephane
>
> My feelings also.
>
> To me, we would have to treat all "dis-advantaged enties"
> alike regardless
> of their nationality as there will be many entities in every
> country for
> which the TLD cost is too high. My first question to any of
> them though
> would be to ask if the entry cost is too high, do you
> actually have the
> resources then to run a TLD?
>
> Feels more like a "tar pit" than a can of worms.
>
> Take care
> Terry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of St phane Van Gelder
> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:57 AM
> To: Bruce Tonkin
> Cc: GNSO Council
> Subject: Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to
> develop a sustainable approach to providing support to
> applicants requiring
> assistance in applying for and operating new gTLDs" in
> response to the ICANN
> Board Resolution 20 at the Nairobi Meeti
>
>
> I had understood the motion to be referencing financial support.
>
> But to me it really doesn't look like much of a solution. If
> the aim is to
> help applicants with lesser means, then this motion is so
> vague as to be
> totally moot. If the Board really has a desire to explore the
> possibility of
> catering to applicants with different financial profiles, I
> think we then
> spill into the notion of categories of applicants that the
> GAC has been
> pushing for and we then open up several new cans of worms
> that can only lead
> to more delays.
>
> Just my personal five cents.
>
> St phane
>
> Le 20 mars 2010   06:41, Bruce Tonkin a  crit :
>
> >
> > Hello Chuck,
> >
> >>
> >> This is interesting Bruce.  I had no idea that this motion
> was talking
> >> about financial support;
> >
> > Well the focus of much of the public comment has been for
> the Board to
> > reduce the application fees for developing countries.
> >
> > The Board instead is saying that there are other ways of solving the
> > issue of participation - and left it open for the community to put
> > forward some proposals.   It was my input (which I also
> stated during
> > the Board meeting) - that it is not just financial support that may
> > help, but also support in terms of resources.   I gave the
> example that
> > in the past, many smaller ccTLDS used secondary nameservers
> operated by
> > larger ccTLDS in developed countries at no cost.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Tonkin
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>