Re: [council] Kenya Agenda questions: Saturday Council dinner and Sunday breakfast

[Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Adrian Kinderis wrote:
> I'm not attending so I'll say this for what it is worth...
> 
> Why not make it a "gripe" session? What are you all afraid of.

I'm afraid of turning into another version of ALAC, where so much
discussion seemed to focus internally that we never got to debating
matters of policy.  I don't want to spend our limited face-to-face time
talking about internal politics, but rather focusing on those
"degenerate" topics on which the Council is asked (or asks) for policy
input.

I object to a closed session, not to an open one.

--Wendy

> 
> I thought last time there was a healthy debate about perspectives and 
> positions and it was a good opportunity to ask direct questions to fellow 
> Councillors.
> 
> Sure, "gripe" may not be the right word but, a session to "air grievances" is 
> necessary and valid in my opinion.
> 
> Otherwise, why have the session? It will just degenerate into a discussion 
> about new gTLD's or WhoIs. There are plenty of avenues for that.
> 
> I would say that, as Mary says, you have leadership and guidance from the 
> Chairs and Vice Chairs. We have a healthy respect for each other. I am not 
> sure why there is a concern.
> 
> If you have problems with participating in an open discussion don't 
> participate - as a number of members didn't last time.
> 
> As one that was involved in the idea's inception I'd certainly not like to 
> see it diluted into just another session to cover outstanding topics.... 
> 
> Adrian Kinderis
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer
> Sent: Thursday, 14 January 2010 3:45 AM
> To: Stéphane Van Gelder
> Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [council] Kenya Agenda questions: Saturday Council dinner and 
> Sunday breakfast
> 
> 
> Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
>> Thanks Debbie.
>>
>> If anyone is opposed to the breakfast, please let either Glen or myself know 
>> as soon as you can.
> 
> I support a breakfast so long as it's not a "grievances" session.
> 
> --Wendy
> 
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Stéphane
>>
>> Le 13 janv. 2010 à 16:19, <HughesDeb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>
>>> Stéphane,
>>> Breakfast and dinner are a great idea!
>>> Thanks for working on this.
>>> Debbie
>>>
>>>
>>> Debra Y. Hughes, Senior Counsel
>>> American Red Cross
>>>
>>> Office of the General Counsel 
>>> 2025 E Street, NW 
>>> Washington, D.C. 20006 
>>> Phone: (202) 303-5356 
>>> Fax: (202) 303-0143
>>> HughesDeb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>>> Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:18 AM
>>> To: Caroline Greer
>>> Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [council] Kenya Agenda questions: Saturday Council dinner and 
>>> Sunday breakfast
>>>
>>> Thanks Caroline and Wolf for your quick responses.
>>>
>>> To be honest, I think the Sat dinner is a given. We all enjoyed the Seoul 
>>> one and I never heard anyone say we shouldn't do another one. Plus it was a 
>>> pay-your-own-way event so really, there shouldn't be much problem with this.
>>>
>>> Glen has already found a possible venue and I am going to make an executive 
>>> decision ;) to put it on the agenda. If anyone objects within the next 
>>> couple of days, we can always look at this again. 
>>>
>>> The breakfast is the one I am much less sure of. As a reminder, this was 
>>> kind of intended to be an informal discussion between ourselves to help 
>>> anyone get anything they wanted off their chests. In Seoul, this was 
>>> organised in one of the meeting rooms. Does the Council feel we should do 
>>> this again for Kenya?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Stéphane
>>>
>>> Le 13 janv. 2010 à 12:56, Caroline Greer a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Stéphane,
>>>>
>>>> Being a 'newbie' to the group, I would welcome any opportunity for an 
>>>> informal get-together with colleagues before the meetings proper. 
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Caroline.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>>>> On Behalf Of KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: 13 January 2010 11:43
>>>> To: stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: AW: [council] Kenya Agenda questions: Saturday Council dinner and 
>>>> Sunday breakfast
>>>>
>>>> Stéphane,
>>>>
>>>> I support the dinner which gives more opportunity for unofficisl talks.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im 
>>>> Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2010 09:01
>>>> An: GNSO Council
>>>> Betreff: [council] Kenya Agenda questions: Saturday Council dinner and 
>>>> Sunday breakfast
>>>>
>>>> Dear Councillors,
>>>>
>>>> I am currently working with Glen on our agenda for the Kenya meeting.
>>>>
>>>> As you may recall, in Seoul we had an unofficial dinner on the meeting's 
>>>> first Saturday and there we also a Council breakfast on the following 
>>>> Sunday morning.
>>>>
>>>> For Kenya, the question of these events remains undecided and we are 
>>>> therefore not sure whether we should include them in the agenda or not. 
>>>> Our understanding is that there is broad support within the Council for 
>>>> the Saturday dinner, less certain support for the Sunday breakfast.
>>>>
>>>> What do people think? Should we plan for both the Saturday dinner and 
>>>> Sunday breakfast, one and not the other, none of the above?
>>>>
>>>> Stéphane
>>>>
> 
> 


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