Re: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.

[Greg Ruth <greg_ruth@xxxxxxxxx>]

I (personally) agree.

Greg



________________________________
From: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Gomes,Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:35:23 AM
Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.


I personally agree with that. It should be left up to the constituency
to decide how to use funds they are allocated.

Tim  

  -------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, March 24, 2009 9:09 am
To: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

The RyC would just request that funding not be restricted to Councilors
only.

Chuck 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:57 AM
> To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> 
> 
> That was more or less the position of the RrC as well. But 
> since the majority of the Council decided otherwise, the 
> Travel Funding Drafting Team is just trying to figure out how 
> to distribute the available funds as fairly as possible.
> 
> Tim 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tue, March 24, 2009 8:30 am
> To: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>, 
> <avri@xxxxxxx>, "GNSO Council" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
> The RyC has always opposed travel funding be restricted to Councilors
> and still holds that position.
> 
> From a philosophical point of view, it is quite interesting 
> how easy it
> is for people to spend money contributed by others. That is one of the
> reasons the RyC supported the approach that each Constituency fund
> travel for itself rather than using ICANN funds to subsidize it except
> in cases of demonstrated need. There is a clear motivation to be good
> stewards of our own funds that sometimes is not so strong 
> when using the
> funds that come from other sources.
> 
> I am not going to belabor this.
> 
> Chuck 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:33 AM
> > To: Gomes, Chuck; avri@xxxxxxx; GNSO Council
> > Subject: Re: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> > 
> > Hi Chuck,
> > 
> > I have to side with Avri on this one ;-) Sounds like doing 
> > such historical digging is asking for a lot of work with no 
> > clear purpose.
> > The only question we should be asking ourselves, IMO, is the 
> > one Avri asked:
> > are we OK for these funds to be used to ensure that all 
> > councillors get funded in 09 or not.
> > As I was unaware that these funds even existed, I would like 
> > to know to what other use they might be put before giving my 
> > answer. If it turns out the funds were just "sitting there" 
> > and would not be used for anything else anyway, then by all 
> > means let's use them to help fund people.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Stéphane
> > 
> > 
> > Le 24/03/09 01:30, « Gomes, Chuck » <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
> > 
> > > 
> > > I was not suggesting anything about how the funds would 
> be used but 
> > > only that the additional information could be helpful for 
> > > constituencies to have in making any decisions regarding 
> > the use of the funds.
> > > 
> > > Chuck
> > > 
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> > >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:59 PM
> > >> To: GNSO Council
> > >> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Hi,
> > >> 
> > >> I am not sure what productive purpose such a exercise 
> > would achieve.
> > >> Are you suggesting that the money should be distributed 
> > according to 
> > >> donation proportionality? I think that might be 
> > counter-productive 
> > >> especially when what I was hoping to achieve was 
> > sufficient funds for 
> > >> all constituencies to send their participants to Sydney.
> > >> 
> > >> I did not get the impression that proportional 
> > distribution was the 
> > >> motivation behind Phillip's comment. Rather I understood 
> > him to be 
> > >> pointing to the fact that the BC, coincidentally along 
> > with the NCUC, 
> > >> and ISPC could, at the moment only provide support for 1 
> > participant 
> > >> in Sydney.
> > >> 
> > >> a.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 14:39 -0400, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> > >>> I wouldn't think it would be that difficult to go back 
> > and find out 
> > >>> what the various constituencies contributed to the fund.
> > >> As I recall
> > >>> various constituencies did not contribute the same amounts
> > >> and I think
> > >>> that they may like to know that information before making a
> > >> decision
> > >>> on how the funds are used. Philip's comment caused me to
> > >> think in that direction:
> > >>> "As much of this money came from the BC in the first 
> > place, I find 
> > >>> this a positive suggestion."
> > >>> 
> > >>> Chuck
> > >>> 
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:05 PM
> > >>>> To: GNSO Council
> > >>>> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Hi,
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Are you suggesting we do such historical digging? I am
> > >> not sure to
> > >>>> what purpose. Are you suggesting we subdivide it according to 
> > >>>> contribution?
> > >>>> I would find that difficult and possibly quite
> > >> contentious at this
> > >>>> point.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> a.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 09:50 -0400, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> > >>>>> Would it be possible to prepare a brief report that shows
> > >>>> the source
> > >>>>> of the funds by constituency as well as the total funds
> > >> available?
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> Chuck
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > >>>>>> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> > >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:33 AM
> > >>>>>> To: GNSO Council
> > >>>>>> Subject: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> I was wondering whether there would be general 
> support in the 
> > >>>>>> council for using the monies in this account to
> > >> supplement the
> > >>>>>> travel budget to Sydney and to Seoul in order to allow
> > >>>> all current
> > >>>>>> constituencies who wish to send 3 participants
> > >> (Councilors, WG
> > >>>>>> participants, SC ...) .
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> While we are asking for better funding in future
> > >> years, we can
> > >>>>>> be fairly certain that we will not get a raise in support
> > >>>> for 2009. It
> > >>>>>> may make sense to use these funds for that purpose -
> > >> i have been
> > >>>>>> asked why we are holding on to the money in a time when
> > >>>> we need more
> > >>>>>> support.
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> If there is general support, I would like to ask the
> > >>>> Travel DT to
> > >>>>>> figure out how to make this allocation and then to bring
> > >>>> a motion to
> > >>>>>> the council.
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> thanks
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> a.
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> 
> > >>> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
> 
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