RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.

["Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sounds good Stephane.

Chuck 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:25 AM
> To: Gomes, Chuck; Tim Ruiz; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> 
> Chuck,
> 
> I don't think that's what the drafting team is saying. All 
> we've said is that slots should be allocated to the 
> constituencies so that they are all able to fund their 
> councillors fully if they want. It's then up to each 
> constituency how to best use those slots.
> 
> So what that might mean is that each constituency gets 3 
> slots per meeting (the same as the number of councillors) and 
> then decides to fund two councillors and one working group 
> member for example.
> 
> I also think it's important to understand that the work the 
> drafting team as a whole has produced is not the reflection 
> of any one single constituency interest. Obviously, 
> individual drafting team members have put forward their 
> constituency's views (the RyC is represented), and this is 
> the way we have built up the positions we have come up with, 
> in an attempt to reach consensus and best represent the wide 
> variety of views on travel funding that exist.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> 
> Le 24/03/09 15:09, « Gomes, Chuck » <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
> 
> > 
> > The RyC would just request that funding not be restricted 
> to Councilors only.
> > 
> > Chuck
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:57 AM
> >> To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> That was more or less the position of the RrC as well. But 
> since the 
> >> majority of the Council decided otherwise, the Travel Funding 
> >> Drafting Team is just trying to figure out how to distribute the 
> >> available funds as fairly as possible.
> >> 
> >> Tim
> >>  
> >>   -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> >> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date: Tue, March 24, 2009 8:30 am
> >> To: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>, 
> >> <avri@xxxxxxx>, "GNSO Council" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The RyC has always opposed travel funding be restricted to 
> Councilors 
> >> and still holds that position.
> >> 
> >> From a philosophical point of view, it is quite 
> interesting how easy 
> >> it is for people to spend money contributed by others. 
> That is one of 
> >> the reasons the RyC supported the approach that each Constituency 
> >> fund travel for itself rather than using ICANN funds to 
> subsidize it 
> >> except in cases of demonstrated need. There is a clear 
> motivation to 
> >> be good stewards of our own funds that sometimes is not so strong 
> >> when using the funds that come from other sources.
> >> 
> >> I am not going to belabor this.
> >> 
> >> Chuck
> >> 
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:33 AM
> >>> To: Gomes, Chuck; avri@xxxxxxx; GNSO Council
> >>> Subject: Re: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Chuck,
> >>> 
> >>> I have to side with Avri on this one ;-) Sounds like doing such 
> >>> historical digging is asking for a lot of work with no clear 
> >>> purpose.
> >>> The only question we should be asking ourselves, IMO, is the one 
> >>> Avri asked:
> >>> are we OK for these funds to be used to ensure that all 
> councillors 
> >>> get funded in 09 or not.
> >>> As I was unaware that these funds even existed, I would 
> like to know 
> >>> to what other use they might be put before giving my 
> answer. If it 
> >>> turns out the funds were just "sitting there"
> >>> and would not be used for anything else anyway, then by all means 
> >>> let's use them to help fund people.
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> 
> >>> Stéphane
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Le 24/03/09 01:30, « Gomes, Chuck » <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> a écrit :
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I was not suggesting anything about how the funds would
> >> be used but
> >>>> only that the additional information could be helpful for 
> >>>> constituencies to have in making any decisions regarding
> >>> the use of the funds.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Chuck
> >>>> 
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >>>>> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:59 PM
> >>>>> To: GNSO Council
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I am not sure what productive purpose such a exercise
> >>> would achieve.
> >>>>> Are you suggesting that the money should be distributed
> >>> according to
> >>>>> donation proportionality? I think that might be
> >>> counter-productive
> >>>>> especially when what I was hoping to achieve was
> >>> sufficient funds for
> >>>>> all constituencies to send their participants to Sydney.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I did not get the impression that proportional
> >>> distribution was the
> >>>>> motivation behind Phillip's comment. Rather I understood
> >>> him to be
> >>>>> pointing to the fact that the BC, coincidentally along
> >>> with the NCUC,
> >>>>> and ISPC could, at the moment only provide support for 1
> >>> participant
> >>>>> in Sydney.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> a.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 14:39 -0400, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> >>>>>> I wouldn't think it would be that difficult to go back
> >>> and find out
> >>>>>> what the various constituencies contributed to the fund.
> >>>>> As I recall
> >>>>>> various constituencies did not contribute the same amounts
> >>>>> and I think
> >>>>>> that they may like to know that information before making a
> >>>>> decision
> >>>>>> on how the funds are used. Philip's comment caused me to
> >>>>> think in that direction:
> >>>>>> "As much of this money came from the BC in the first
> >>> place, I find
> >>>>>> this a positive suggestion."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Chuck
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:05 PM
> >>>>>>> To: GNSO Council
> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Are you suggesting we do such historical digging? I am
> >>>>> not sure to
> >>>>>>> what purpose. Are you suggesting we subdivide it according to 
> >>>>>>> contribution?
> >>>>>>> I would find that difficult and possibly quite
> >>>>> contentious at this
> >>>>>>> point.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> a.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 09:50 -0400, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Would it be possible to prepare a brief report that shows
> >>>>>>> the source
> >>>>>>>> of the funds by constituency as well as the total funds
> >>>>> available?
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Chuck
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Avri Doria
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:33 AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: GNSO Council
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> I was wondering whether there would be general
> >> support in the
> >>>>>>>>> council for using the monies in this account to
> >>>>> supplement the
> >>>>>>>>> travel budget to Sydney and to Seoul in order to allow
> >>>>>>> all current
> >>>>>>>>> constituencies who wish to send 3 participants
> >>>>> (Councilors, WG
> >>>>>>>>> participants, SC ...) .
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> While we are asking for better funding in future
> >>>>> years, we can
> >>>>>>>>> be fairly certain that we will not get a raise in support
> >>>>>>> for 2009. It
> >>>>>>>>> may make sense to use these funds for that purpose -
> >>>>> i have been
> >>>>>>>>> asked why we are holding on to the money in a time when
> >>>>>>> we need more
> >>>>>>>>> support.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> If there is general support, I would like to ask the
> >>>>>>> Travel DT to
> >>>>>>>>> figure out how to make this allocation and then to bring
> >>>>>>> a motion to
> >>>>>>>>> the council.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> a.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
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