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RE: [council] Revised Community Travel Support Procedure for FY09
Thanks for the clarification Avri. Very helpful.
Chuck
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:09 PM
> To: Gomes, Chuck
> Cc: Council GNSO
> Subject: Re: [council] Revised Community Travel Support
> Procedure for FY09
>
> Hi,
>
> In my suggestion, the first name a constituency nominates
> goes through
> automatically. I.e. if the constituency picks one that
> person in on
> the list. of course a constituency could decide to pass.
>
> so in essence the council is _not_
>
> >> involved with regard to whom a
> >> constituency wants to select for travel support?
>
> in the first instance. All we do is take the first name on
> lists and put it on the council's list of people to get support.
>
> the suggestion for the way to handle the other 4 is for the
> constituencies to 'nominate' people if desired (postions 2
> and 3 on their list) and then the council picks the remaining
> from those so nominated by the constituencies.
>
> In the best cse, it will work out and only 10 names will be
> offered.
> If > 10 are nominate then we figure out how to distribute the
> other after giving each constituency that wants, it first
> choice for support.
>
> (actually, my personal opinion, in the best of all possible
> worlds we would have all members of the council supported at
> a proper level - same as the board - but that is a longer
> term issue and I think we need to be ready to use the support
> we have for Cairo while figuring out how to appeal the
> procedure - if that is what the council decides to do)
>
> a.
>
>
>
> On 20 Aug 2008, at 10:58, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>
> > Why does the Council even have to be involved with regard to whom a
> > constituency wants to select for travel support? I would
> suggest that
> > we give freedom to constituencies to independently select
> someone who
> > needs travel support or to propose some shared use of the
> travel funds
> > if that is permissable and send the name to the Council for
> > transmittal to staff. We should not put ourselves in a position to
> > second guess constituencies but rather should trust them to
> make this
> > decision. We as a Council could then work on how to handle any
> > remaining funds, which could be the focus of the special meeting.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:26 AM
> >> To: Council GNSO
> >> Subject: Re: [council] Revised Community Travel Support
> Procedure for
> >> FY09
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> As a recommendation for a way to proceed for Cairo only -
> allowing a
> >> general discussion of principles and alignment with a
> revamped GSNO
> >> structure for later, how about:
> >>
> >> - Each Constituency suggests a prioritized list of names
> (0-3). The
> >> first name, if any, of each of the list is guaranteed and
> the council
> >> will discuss how to distribute the
> >> 4 remaining spots amount the other names that may be put forward.
> >>
> >> -- As an additional element, I would suggest that on names
> >> 2-3 on the list, the constituency indicate whether there
> is a special
> >> reason or need for including the name.
> >>
> >> -- I suggest that the names 2-3 on the list not be limited
> to council
> >> member but can include WG chairs if the constituency so recommends.
> >>
> >> - I suggest that each constituency submit its list to the council
> >> email list by Tuesday 26 Aug.
> >>
> >> - I also suggest that we schedule a special meeting for
> Thursday 29
> >> Aug to finalize any issues. I understand that it may not
> be possible
> >> for all members to attend then, but as long as there is at
> least one
> >> member, all is better, from each constituency empowered to
> speak for
> >> their constituency, I am hoping we can reach agreement. Also, I
> >> understand that staff may be otherwise involved in this
> time slot as
> >> they may have prior commitments, but in this case I think
> that is a
> >> secondary consideration to figuring out how to handle this
> situation
> >> for Cairo in an agreeable manner.
> >>
> >> - In the meantime we make sure we have answers to all
> questions that
> >> may be critical to making our decisions in time for making
> >> reservations for Cairo.
> >>
> >>
> >> thanks
> >>
> >> a.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 19 Aug 2008, at 15:06, Tim Ruiz wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> An even split for Cairo may make sense. But WG efforts *are* an
> >>> intregal part of the policy process, and the goal of the
> >> funding is to
> >>> broaden participation in policy processes. So why
> wouldn't the WGs
> >>> fall under that?
> >>>
> >>> My thinking was that as we move more fully to the WG
> model, finding
> >>> good WG Chairs will be a challenge. The prospect of travel
> >> funding for
> >>> ICANN meetings may prove to be an incentive. If we want
> some rules
> >>> around that, that would make sense - not for Chairs who are also
> >>> Councilors, not for Chairs who represent a constituency
> member, or
> >>> whatever.
> >>>
> >>> And for the record, I would not accept travel assistance
> for myself.
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>> Subject: Re: [council] Revised Community Travel Support
> >> Procedure for
> >>> FY09
> >>> From: Robin Gross <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Date: Tue, August 19, 2008 1:47 pm
> >>> To: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Cc: Council GNSO <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>
> >>> No one has said Councilors are more important.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It was my understanding that we weren't funding "people"
> >> per se, but
> >>> specific "roles" within the ICANN policy development
> >> process. If you
> >>> want to change it so we are funding the people that we think are
> >>> contributing the most, that is another story, and we can
> certainly
> >>> have
> >>> that conversation. But we should be clear what we are
> >> doing - right
> >>> now it just looks like a "grab bag" has opened up.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Robin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 19, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think we have to be careful about thinking of ourselves as more
> >>> important as Councilors than other GNSO members. If someone is
> >>> devoting considerable time to GNSO work regardless whether
> >> they are on
> >>> the Council or not we should recognize that and help to
> meet their
> >>> travel needs if possible.
> >>>
> >>> Chuck
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> ]
> >>> On Behalf Of Robin Gross
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:08 PM
> >>> To: Greg Ruth
> >>> Cc: Council GNSO
> >>> Subject: Re: [council] Revised Community Travel Support
> >> Procedure for
> >>> FY09
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I agree with Greg. What began as a process to ensure
> >> councilors could
> >>> participate at council meetings has turned into something else
> >>> entirely.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Robin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 19, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Greg Ruth wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Basically, I disagree with the notion that some of the
> >> travel funding
> >>> should be allocated to constituencies and some should be
> >> earmarked to
> >>> support WG chairs. I believe the original intent was not
> >> to progress
> >>> WG efforts, but rather to make sure that all stakeholders
> >>> (constituencies)
> >>> have an *equal* opportunity to participate. (I would
> think that a
> >>> responsible WG chair should have been sure of his/her ability to
> >>> participate *before* accepting the position.) Therefore, I am in
> >>> favor of dividing the funding more or less equally among the
> >>> consituencies and letting each decide how it can best support
> >>> representation at ICANN meetings.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> IP JUSTICE
> >>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> >>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA
> >>> p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451
> >>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> IP JUSTICE
> >>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> >>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA
> >>> p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451
> >>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>
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> >
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