RE: [council] Draft Agenda for Council meeting - Thursday 7 June 2007

["Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Mawaki,

I personally think the suggestions of deceit and political ambition are
inappropriate and suggest that you argue your points objectively without
making such assertions.

Chuck Gomes
 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mawaki Chango
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:29 PM
> To: 'Council GNSO'
> Subject: Re: [council] Draft Agenda for Council meeting - 
> Thursday 7 June 2007
> 
> >>> [Bruce] it is better to proceed in such a way that minimises
> risk in the first round, but also allows flexibility to 
> update the recommendations based on experience of the first round.
> 
> Do you have anything specific in mind? what and where are the 
> provisions to ensure such flexibility? I think it is 
> important to know concretely how this can be handled, should 
> the need arise.
> 
> I don't see any contradiction between the fact that a lot of 
> work has been put into a PDP, and the possibility for the
> *Council* to determine  in the end the level of support for 
> each recommendation so that, as Bruce has put it, at least 
> the recommendations that are capable of supermajority be 
> secured and built on later on.
> 
> The argument that the recommendations cannot be considered 
> individually because they are inter-dependent is a fallacious 
> one because i) most of the recommendations have been 
> discussed separately during the process, and ii) if 
> recommendations are so inter-related that it wouldn't make 
> sense to adopt/implement one without the other, then clearly 
> those who support one will support the other. 
> 
> Similarly, the idea of the committee having thoroughly 
> discussed the issues raised by NCUC (for example) without any 
> proponents of those ideas/issues being there to explain and 
> respond is deceitful.
> 
> > Note
> > Not all the recommendations please everyone.
> > It is not appropriate for Council to revisit issues just because 
> > individuals wish to re-run arguments that earlier failed to 
> persuade.
> > If that's how we will play it then the BC will return with our 
> > original wish list, so may the IPC, so may the ISPs, so may ... etc.
> 
> This is so bright! just that in such perspective, the PDP 
> process is nothing but a merely political process governed by 
> corporatism. (You may note, Liz, that this is not the best 
> mindset and environment for dialogue between constituencies 
> as you've been encouraging for.) If that's the case, then it 
> should be no surprise that courts become (are?) the only 
> place where some sense of higher norms and overall legitimacy 
> is re-stablished in the ICANN's decisions.
> 
> That shouldn't worry me, but I'm worried that this is the 
> perspective of an aspirant chairman for the council. 
> 
> Mawaki
> 
> 
> --- Philip Sheppard <philip.sheppard@xxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Bruce,
> > allow me to respond to your questions about how we handle the gTLD 
> > report.
> >  
> > 1. We treated this issue as a committee of the whole of 
> Council. This 
> > process was explicitly to ensure incremental buy-in to 
> recommendations 
> > by Council. It escapes all logic that Council would then 
> vote on each 
> > recommendation. That process would seem suited to a task 
> force report. 
> > Have we all been wasting our time? I trust not.
> >  
> > 2. We also opened the group to observers and received 
> excellent input. 
> > That was also a process designed to explicitly ensure incremental 
> > buy-in to recommendations by the wider community.
> >  
> > 3. Staff have diligently drafted version upon version of 
> the report so 
> > that we were all able to track emerging recommendations 
> that achieved 
> > broad support.
> > What was the point of all
> > that if we now vote on each recommendation as if it came 
> from nowhere 
> > ?
> > 
> > 4. The recommendations were not made in glorious isolation.
> > Many are inter-dependent. We
> > will end up with a pigs breakfast if we assume the 
> recommendations can 
> > operate in isolation.
> > 
> > Conclusion
> > We must vote on the report as a whole.
> >  
> > Note
> > Not all the recommendations please everyone.
> > It is not appropriate for Council to revisit issues just because 
> > individuals wish to re-run arguments that earlier failed to 
> persuade.
> > If that's how we will play it then the BC will return with our 
> > original wish list, so may the IPC, so may the ISPs, so may ... etc.
> >  
> > Further work
> > There are a lot of issues that need further work or at 
> least feedback 
> > to Council on their implementation. Indeed this applies to most 
> > recommendations !
> > It would be useful therefore to explicitly mark in the report where 
> > Council expects formal feedback from staff.
> > That makes it clear for us, clear for staff.
> > 
> > Link to the sub groups
> > We also need to make explicit reference to the inclusion 
> and support 
> > for these reports where appropriate.
> > 
> >  
> > Philip
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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