RE: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues

[jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Chuck and all,

  Understood here on the FAQ Chuck.  However the plug-in 
(i-Nav) should have made provisions for differences in 
language versions of the below mentioned Windows OS's.  
It doesn't.  Hence, as I originally stated, the i-Nav seems 
to force users to upgrade to more recent versions of windows 
accordingly.  That's not good plug-in design, plain and simple.

  When designing this plug-in one serious consideration should
have been given for users whom are Korean that use the english 
version of Windows 98, ME, and/or NT and may also use the Korean 
language version of same.  Perhaps versioning of the i-Nav plug-in
as a correction to address this likely user possibility is
a more reasonable approach.  Please consider it. >:)

  Another consideration for this plug-in design also should
have been, and possibly was, is for different browsers support.

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2007 6:11 PM
>To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>
>Here is some additional information that might be helpful.
>
>The VeriSign FAQ for the i-NAV(tm) plug-in can be found at
>http://idn.verisign-grs.com/plug-in/support/index.jsp.  Please note the
>response in the FAQ to question #2 under the heading 'i-Nav: Internet
>Explorer Plug-In' (What versions of Internet Explorer does i-Nav(tm)
>support?); it is copied here: "The i-Nav(tm) plug-in is compatible with
>Windows 98, ME, NT, 2000, XP and runs in Internet Explorer 5.0 and
>above. Due to the limitations of English versions of Windows 98, ME and
>NT, it is not possible to enter multilingual text into the address bar
>and therefore you cannot use i-Nav(tm) on those operating systems. To
>enable multilingual usage for English versions of Windows 2000 and
>Windows XP, please go to Control Panels/Regional Options and then select
>the languages you wish to use."  As you can see, we specifically say
>that the problem will occur for users who are on an **English** version
>of those  operating systems.
>
>This would not be an issue for a user on say a Korean version of any of
>those operating systems because they can enter multilingual text into
>the address bar.  I should also point out that the majority of users of
>i-Nav(tm) are on **non--English** versions of the operating system quite
>simply for the fact that IDNs are targeted to specific language
>environments and most English speakers do not know how to enter
>multilingual characters of a language. Finally, because of the
>limitations of the Windows Operating system (for those systems) **and
>not** i-Nav(tm) we wanted to set expectations **for English** users.
>
>Note also that IE7 can only be used on XP/SP2 or Vista systems so
>i-Nav(tm) would be required to resolve IDNs on any other system using
>IE6.
>
>Chuck Gomes
> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
>> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:47 AM
>> To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>> 
>> Please note some factual corrections to the message below.
>> 
>> Chuck Gomes
>>  
>> "This message is intended for the use of the individual or 
>> entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information 
>> that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure 
>> under applicable law. Any unauthorized use, distribution, or 
>> disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this 
>> message in error, please notify sender immediately and 
>> destroy/delete the original transmission." 
>>  
>> 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 10:03 PM
>> > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Cc: i-nav@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: RE: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>> > 
>> > Chuck and all,
>> > 
>> >   Thanks for the detailed info.  Glad someone is on the ball here.  
>> > >:)
>> > 
>> >   What I noticed is the IDN plugin isn't fully supported 
>> for OS's Win 
>> > 98, ME and NT, as "it is not possible to enter multilingual 
>> text into 
>> > the address bar and therefore you cannot use i-Nav on those 
>> operating 
>> > systems."
>> 
>> Correction: The plugin works fine for the OS's listed. We 
>> developed and fully tested the plug-in for the OS's listed 
>> and nothing has changed in that regard.
>> 
>> >  Perhaps this
>> > is where the current/original hauge.com problem is centered?  
>> > Just a thought.  However it also occurs to me that this 
>> plugin seems 
>> > to force an upgrade to IE 7.0 which has significant 
>> security problems 
>> > which MS has not yet addressed and is currently not recommended by 
>> > NIST.  That's not a very good solution.  And certainly not user 
>> > friendly, if you don't mind me saying so.
>> 
>> Correction:  The plug-in does not force an upgrade to IE 7.0. 
>>  It is still available and usable for all the OS's you 
>> listed.  It would not be needed if IE 7.0 was being used but 
>> that has nothing to do with its functionality for other OS's.
>>   
>> > 
>> >   So doing online banking or financial transactions with a usable 
>> > platform for this plugin, opens up users to significant security 
>> > problems which the GAO, FISMA, ICT, NIST, and ISC recommend 
>> strongly 
>> > against.  Hence this plugin for ecommerce purposes is not 
>> very useful 
>> > and likely dangerous to users.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > >Sent: Jul 27, 2007 9:58 AM
>> > >To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >Subject: RE: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>> > >
>> > >VeriSign implemented the Web-based navigation system in 
>> January 2003.
>> > >The system was implemented as a temporary bridging solution 
>> > to improve 
>> > >the user experience by providing distribution of the 
>> > i-Nav(tm) plug-in 
>> > >until software that supported the Internationalized Domain 
>> > Name (IDNs) 
>> > >standards was more readily available.  The i-Nav plug-in is 
>> > a tool that 
>> > >users can download and use to navigate IDNs at the browser level.
>> > >
>> > >Because an increasing number of browsers now support IDNs, 
>> > on July 25, 
>> > >2007, VeriSign completed the decommissioning of its Web-based 
>> > >navigation system as a distribution mechanism for the i-Nav 
>> > plug-in.  
>> > >VeriSign notified all registrars in May 2007 that the 
>> > decommissioning 
>> > >would take place.
>> > >
>> > >It is important to note that VeriSign has not decommissioned 
>> > the i-Nav 
>> > >plug-in.  In fact, the i-Nav plug-in is still available 
>> for download 
>> > >and remains supported by VeriSign, (To download the i-Nav 
>> > plug-in visit
>> > >www.idnnow.com.)
>> > >
>> > >The decommissioning of the Web-based navigation system had 
>> > no impact to 
>> > >the current users of the i-Nav plug-in or IDN-enabled browsers.
>> > >However, for those who are not using the i-Nav plug-in or an 
>> > >IDN-enabled browser, VeriSign strongly recommends they install an 
>> > >IDN-enabled browser of their choice to continue to enjoy 
>> > navigating the 
>> > >Web using IDNs in their own language. A few sample browsers 
>> > currently 
>> > >supporting IDNs are as follows:
>> > >
>> > >*	Microsoft Internet Explorer
>> > >URL: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/ie/getitnow.mspx
>> > >Platform: Windows XP, Windows Server 2003
>> > >Version: 7.0 and higher
>> > > 
>> > >*	Netscape Navigator (English only)
>> > >URL: http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/
>> > >Platform: Windows
>> > >Version: 7.0 and higher
>> > >
>> > >*	Opera Web Browser
>> > >URL: http://www.opera.com
>> > >Platform: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux
>> > >Version: 7.2 and higher
>> > >
>> > >*	Firefox
>> > >URL: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
>> > >Platform: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux
>> > >Version: 0.6 and higher
>> > >
>> > >For those users who wish to continue to use older versions 
>> > of Microsoft 
>> > >Internet Explorer such as Internet Explorer 5 or 6, 
>> VeriSign's i-Nav 
>> > >plug-in is still available for download at 
>> > http://www.idnnow.com. This 
>> > >plug-in will continue to be a valuable add-on for Internet 
>> > Explorer 5 
>> > >or
>> > >6 running on old versions of Windows platforms such as 
>> > Windows 98, NT 
>> > >and 2000.
>> > >
>> > >Chuck Gomes
>> > > 
>> > >"This message is intended for the use of the individual or 
>> entity to 
>> > >which it is addressed, and may contain information that is 
>> > privileged, 
>> > >confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any 
>> > >unauthorized use, distribution, or disclosure is strictly 
>> > prohibited. 
>> > >If you have received this message in error, please notify sender 
>> > >immediately and destroy/delete the original transmission."
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Danny Younger
>> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:03 AM
>> > >> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >> Subject: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>> > >> 
>> > >> Posted to ICANN's Public Partiocipation Website:
>> > >> 
>> > >> Hello, I'm a server manager in a Korean web hosting company.
>> > >> The recently big obstacle occurs in connection of Hangul(Korean 
>> > >> alphabet) .com domain. Currently 92% of the Korean 
>> Internet users 
>> > >> when using the Hangul.com and Hangul.net domain which is 
>> > registered 
>> > >> can only see the message "Page cannot be displayed". Before 
>> > >> previously 20th passed, it does not same current status.
>> > >> 
>> > >> So, All of Hangul IDNs registrants are put on the 
>> serious monetary 
>> > >> damage and broken fame of their site.
>> > >> I asked a cause in various registrar and found out that is 
>> > >> discontinues i-nav navigation server operations which 
>> the Verisign 
>> > >> operates from Korea and the various area does.
>> > >> 
>> > >> Verisign positions which I listen from Korean registrars 
>> > is, because 
>> > >> MS released ie 7.0, there are not necessity to operating i-nav 
>> > >> navigation.
>> > >> But this judgement is to be incorrect at least in Korea.
>> > >> 
>> > >> After release of MS ie 7.0 at 2006 November, world-wide 
>> 4 browsers 
>> > >> all under supporting IDNs. But 93% of the Korean 
>> Internet users as 
>> > >> yet is using ie6.0. If there is not i-nav navigation, 
>> millions of 
>> > >> domain will not be able to use entirely.
>> > >> 
>> > >> Because of i-nav navigation, although MS did not update 
>> against ie 
>> > >> IDNs after IDNs international standard published, Hangul 
>> > IDN service 
>> > >> is possible.
>> > >> Currently the connection of the Hangul .com and Hangul 
>> .net IDN in 
>> > >> Korea absolutely depends in i-nav navigation.
>> > >> 
>> > >> Unlike with Europe or the United States, only 7.34% 
>> Korean use the 
>> > >> browser which support IDNs. 99% of the Korean Internet 
>> > users use MS 
>> > >> Internet Explorer, but market share of 7.0 versions 
>> which support 
>> > >> IDNs still stop in 6.8%. And IE 7.0 has not in prospect to 
>> > automatic 
>> > >> update in near future In Korea.
>> > >> From Friday which passes, when Korea 92.5% Internet user inputs 
>> > >> Hangul .com in the address window, they does not get any 
>> > result , or, 
>> > >> on top of that they moved toward the dangerous fishing site. Of 
>> > >> course, to previously that also these users will be able 
>> > to visit a 
>> > >> Hangul .com and Hangul .net site through i-nav web 
>> > navigation server.
>> > >> 
>> > >> Because well to know Korean Internet environment the KRNIC 
>> > which is 
>> > >> Korean ccTLD registry operates a difference server for Hangul.kr 
>> > >> domain will be able to connected right site without help 
>> > of browser. 
>> > >> Verisign judged i-nav navigation server retirement at 
>> > least without 
>> > >> consideration about this situation.
>> > >> 
>> > >> Follows Korean registrars, they are sending a request 
>> > Verisign. But 
>> > >> it is difficult situation expecting positive answer. If this 
>> > >> disconnection of Hangul.com and Hangul.net domain is 
>> continued, it 
>> > >> will bring result which put the thousands of registrant on 
>> > enormous 
>> > >> loss and, lose the foundation of IDNs from hereafter Korea.
>> > >> 
>> > >> Based on these facts, I proposes ICANN and Verisign to 
>> know about 
>> > >> seriousness of problem and to take the appropriate management. I 
>> > >> expects your countermove with deep consideration the 
>> > universality of 
>> > >> domain and Internet.
>> > >> 
>> > >> Thank you for reading my poor English.
>> > >> 
>> > >> * the statistical data which it refers to be referred from 
>> > >> www.internettrend.co.kr reports.
>> > >> 
>> > >> http://public.icann.org/forums/public-forum#comment-321
>> > >> 
>> > >> 
>> > >>        
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