RE: [ga] Sponsorship of IGF Workshops

["Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>]

Joe,

The queries you refer are indeed errors: they are requests who were
addressed to the wrong root.
People who want to address resources who are outside the official root
system should go to the particular root that recognizes those resources: if
they don't, it's what is commonly called a mistake, aka "error".

Cheers,
Roberto
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Baptista
> Sent: 06 July 2007 18:14
> To: Hugh Dierker
> Cc: Karl Auerbach; Danny Younger; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ga] Sponsorship of IGF Workshops
> 
> Hugh Dierker wrote:
> 
> > Go slow for me. I assume that the root server traffic analysis has 
> > been asked for by someone. What is the suggested reason for 
> refusing 
> > to make it public?
> 
> 
> The only one I ever remember being published was the one from 
> CAIDA.  I wrote on it:
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/05/dud_queries_swamp_us_internet/
> 
> After that article I have never again seen an analysis of 
> root server traffic.  I asked for the data and Paul Vxie back 
> then refused to provide it to the public claiming possible 
> privacy violations.
> 
> The reason why root server data and analysis is not made 
> public is because it show how much technical harm has been 
> done or is being done to the technical infrastructure icann 
> as sworn to protect.  The article tells you that back in 2003 
> 98 percent of the queries to the root servers were errors.  
> This is not altogether true.  Many of these errors are as a 
> result of the rapid expansion of other namespaces - i.e. like 
> the chinese government MII, the arab consortium - etc etc.
> 
> I would not be surprised if a majority of the queries were to 
> chinese IDNs run by the chinese government.  I suspect the 
> chinese wth the launch of their national tlds and the 
> conversion of the china network to national IDNs I suspect 
> the chinese traffic would now make up the bulk of the volumn 
> in DNS queries to the ICANN root.
> 
> A proper analysis also makes them look like fools.  Since it 
> shows that as the US government has tried to control the 
> internet - the internet has fragemented and the proof is in 
> the traffic error rate.
> 
> ICANN is proof that the USG experimet has failed.  This 
> brings up the question - should we develop a root integration 
> experiment and have that replace icann.
> 
> You see the problem here.  This data clearly shows that as 
> icann as played fun and games pretending to run the internet, 
> the internet has ended up causing them over 98 % error rate 
> and those errors represent alot of internet roo 
> fragmentation.  And that is a violation of the IAB Policy on 
> the Unique root.
> 
> I still remember the silly claims they had at icann many years ago.  
> They were grinding the propaganda mill telling the world they 
> had a monopoly on root services.  The alternative root 
> experiments proved that a farce.
> 
> Check in to it - see if you can find any public analysis available.  
> CAIDA should be able to provide you with a copy of the analysis.
> 
> cheers
> joe baptista
> 
> >  
> > Eric
> >
> > */Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>/* wrote:
> >
> >     Karl Auerbach wrote:
> >
> >     > Even if ICANN were to vanish in a poof of money 
> colored smoke IP
> >     > packets would still flow unvexed from source IP address to
> >     destination
> >     > IP address and domain name query packets would continue to be
> >     > transformed into domain name response packets. 
> Registrars would
> >     still
> >     > buy and sell domain names and registrars would still 
> construct zone
> >     > files and run their name servers. Intellectual 
> property lawyers
> >     will
> >     > whine, but will compensate by increasing the bills 
> they send to
> >     their
> >     > clients. And a lot of superfluous "staff" and 
> consultants would
> >     have
> >     > to find new jobs.
> >
> >     Amen. That day is coming.
> >
> >     I would go further and say that ICANN has actually 
> cause problems
> >     in the
> >     technical function. I'm a bit concerned with their little
> >     experiment in
> >     list IDN TLDs as A RRs.
> >
> >     Also speaking about TLDs as A RRs, what about 
> localhost. That TLD
> >     causes alot of traffic at the root server level.
> >      
> >     And if ICANN published it's root server traffic 
> analysis we would
> >     see that.
> >      
> >     Every computer in
> >     the world knows the answer to localhost. The only 
> localhost traffic
> >     that is hitting ICANN roots these days is coming from 
> misconfigured
> >     computers. If ICANN provided an answer to localhost then would
> >     that not
> >     be better. Would te internet not benefit from a 
> decrease in localhost
> >     traffic to the root servers.
> >
> >     Part of the function of managing internet resources is 
> to correct
> >     error.
> >
> >     regards
> >     joe baptista
> >
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