Re: [ga] Roberto Gaetano on ALAC Reform/Bingo

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

The past is history. And any student of history knows to study it as though you were on both sides of the story. Modern civilized man does not kill his cousin because his great great grandfather was killed by the others' great grandfather.
  Jeff we must move forward. Old rules do not apply and new allies should be reached.
  Direct versus surrogate representation is here and now and members of ALAC have indicated an intelligent desire to discuss concepts that may allow for the best of both worlds - new and old.
  I for one do not wish to derail such thoughtful considerations because i still carry a bruize that i should have let heal. Easily, Joop, Karl, Vittorio and Roberto and Vint could dwell on past slights but they all move forward in positive demeanor.
   
  As a beginning point I suggest that this here GA be contemplated as such a direct voting forum. Ressurected or built anew? Powers? no not at first. Liasons to GNSO and ALAC maybe?
   
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Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  Dr. Deirker and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
stakeholders/users,

We have already had the vote for what your suggesting on this forum.
One stakeholder
one vote won out as the preferred method. However at the time, some
ICANN
staff and Bod members did not except that vote as valid, if you recall.
Hence
shortly after, the DNSO was disbanded and the GNSO reform under Stuart
began.
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Hugh Dierker wrote:

> Gentlemen and Women,
>
> This hits the issues on the spot. Direct versus "intermediate"
> voting. Or as our country has argued about since inception
> Representative Republic or Democratic direct participatory United
> States. Wigs and Torries would use other terms to the same end.
> Joop is right throughout EU it has been a contentious issue. But
> Vittorio is right, they seem to live with it - intermediate.
> And that is the crux of ALAC. A bunch of groups are represented. Not
> individuals. We in the western USA are famous for our refusal to join
> groups. (maybe infamous) We vote on everything from raising taxes to
> new parks to impeachment to policechiefs to garbage collector director
> and we do it one man one vote style.
> This concept should be placed to a vote here.
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> Joop Teernstra wrote:
> At 02:29 p.m. 1/12/2005, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>
> >I think that the point is exactly that: in North America you have
> >political approaches, ways of participation, levels of Internet
> >development that are very different from almost every other part of
> the
> >globe. In Europe, for example, we are much more comfortable with
> indirect
> >representation, European-level councils where all countries are
> >represented, weighed voting etc.;
>
>
> Vittorio, how familiar are you with political approaches, ways of
> participation, etc. *within* the different nations of Europe?
> Are "we" really that much more comfortable with indirect
> representation?
> If so, why would the Swiss have fought it off until this day?
>
> Do you think Europeans like multi-level representation when it is not
> mandated by necessity?
>
> One of the internet's characteristics is its power to dis-intermediate
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> doing away with unnecessary and obfuscating intermediate levels of
> representation.
>
> >I am starting to think that the actual solution of all this could be
> to
> >reinstate direct At Large elections for North America only -
>
> Making that kind of differentiation would open an entire new can of
> worms. It seems the ALAC is starting to grasp at straws.
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> -joop-
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Regards,

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