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Re: [council] FW: GNSO Council discussion Spec 13
- To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [council] FW: GNSO Council discussion Spec 13
- From: John Berard <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 07:06:40 -0700
- Cc: philip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, martinsutton@xxxxxxxx, council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- List-id: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Sender: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<p dir="ltr">Volker,</p>
<p dir="ltr">You have confused me.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Are you saying, for example, .HSBC (using Martin Sutton here!)
launching as a dotBRAND might distribute names that might otherwise go in a
Sunrise for trademark holders? </p>
<p dir="ltr">And if .HSBC switches to general availability down the road, those
names will have been registered in circumvention of a Sunrise?</p>
<p dir="ltr">But if HSBC allows its customers use of their name (e.g., BBC.HSBC
or Orange.HSBC) aren't they the proper registrants in any regime?</p>
<p dir="ltr">I am having a hard time finding the problem to be solved.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Help me understand.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Berard </p>
<div class="quote">On Apr 15, 2014 1:36 AM, Volker Greimann
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As obligatory Sunrise is the baby of the IPC and BC, I had expected
them to pick up on this issue as well. <br>
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IIRC, if a dotBrand gives up exclusivity, it loses the dotBrand
status and the benefits of the spec. If would have to allow all
registrars to get accredited and execute a sunrise. However, at that
time, the damage may have already been done as the delayed sunrise
may have become a farce if the RO already registered to its name all
names that would be eligible for sunrise prior to giving up
exclusivity. It would be akin to something that ICANN has been
denying to other applicants, such as geoTLDs, essentially allowing
the registry an unlimited period of exclusivity to reserve domain
names to itself and a select circle of affiliates and licensees
before a sunrise would be applicable.<br>
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I am not opposing the spec as it stands today, but I am pointing out
the loopholes that may lead to abuse.<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 15.04.2014 09:01, schrieb Jonathan
Robinson:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Please
see note below from Philip Sheppard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> BRG [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:philip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:philip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 14 April 2014 17:03<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@xxxxxxxxxx";>jonathan.robinson@xxxxxxxxxx</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> GNSO Council discussion Spec
13<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Jonathan,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
noted that Klaus on the Council list asked this
question:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier
New";color:blue">BTW: what happens if a brand gTLD
decides down the road to give up </span><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:blue">exclusivity and
become available for general use, at some point that
might make perfect business sense.</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">As
I cannot post to Council, perhaps you would do so for
me.</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Its
a legitimate question and one also asked by ICANN legal
staff.</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
answer is in other provisions of Spec 13. In the
circumstances described by Klaus, all of Spec 13 would
immediately no longer apply, and the default RA would
apply instead.</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Philip</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Philip
Sheppard</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Director
General</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Brand
Registry Group</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.brandregistrygroup.org/";>www.brandregistrygroup.org</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Skype
phsheppard</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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