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RE: [registrars] Dues of $750 with "forgiveness" for those who choose to pay $250.
- To: "Registrars Constituency" <registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "RC Voting Members" <votingmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [registrars] Dues of $750 with "forgiveness" for those who choose to pay $250.
- From: "Rob Hall" <rob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 03:33:16 -0000
- Sender: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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- Thread-topic: [registrars] Dues of $750 with "forgiveness" for those who choose to pay $250.
Bob,
I am surprised that you are suggesting that you post a list of Registrars who have somehow benefited from the constituency IN THE PAST and not paid. This type of public shaming for events in the past is not helpful and should not be allowed. As a member of the executive, I would not support you publishing such a list.
Many people may participate as they can in the Constituency. What is in the past, is pointless to waste time debating.
Rather, I would prefer to see updated lists of Members published, so we can clearly see at all times who have paid up CURRENTLY and who are indeed Members of the constituency. As you know, we are working hard to make there be more benefit to being a member of the constituency to encourage more Registrars to join.
I am also not sure what your example is trying to say. I note that you have highlighted the fact that the General Counsel of Momentous.ca responded that NameScout et al supported the letter. Momentous.ca is not a Registrar, and you have somehow taken issue with Jennifer's standard signature lines as General Counsel. Momentous.ca has never signed nor supported a Constituency Statement.
And yes, we have absolutely signed documents to ICANN with a list of all the Registrars we have. We used to list each and every one, but it just became cumbersome. I don't believe we have EVER represented that they were members of the constituency, just that they are indeed ICANN accredited Registrars. Given that ICANN often quotes stats of what percentage of Registrars felt a certain way, we felt it important that they know that all ours did, so they could not say that only 40 Registrars out of 800 felt a certain way. If ICANN wants to play the percentage game, we ensured that all our Registrars we behind the letter.
And I think you will find that most of the letters we signed onto were not official constituency positions, as those are voted. Rather, when an open call went out for a simple letter to ICANN by some Registrars, we supported it with everything we had.
Rob.
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From: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Robert F. Connelly
Sent: Sun 29/07/2007 8:19 PM
To: Registrars Constituency; RC Voting Members
Subject: [registrars] Dues of $750 with "forgiveness" for those who choose to pay $250.
Dear Members:
In my prior posting, I mentioned Tim Ruiz and Adrian Kinderis. It was only because they each made constructive proposals on the dues issue and both proposals "had some meat on them".
Tim proposed a tiered dues structure.
Adrian said his registration business is small but that he felt membership in the RC was important to his business and he did not think we should charge more to anyone.
My comment was that I'm a long time Republican and don't like this idea of "soaking the rich".
The dialog was productive.
I stand solidly behind Tim and Adrian in the present election for GNSO representative!!!
My posting of this morning was a thought that came to me overnight. Some registrars who have multiple accreditations benefit substantially from their memberships -- but they pay only dues for one of them. They frequently make written endorsements of issues being discussed by ICANN, signing in the name of their non member accreditations.
Here is an example of such a posting:
Subject: [registrars] Final list of companies supporting the statement
At 02:05 PM 11/25/2005 Friday -0500, Jennifer Ross-Carriere wrote:
Forgot us - NameScout Corp. et al [1]
Jen
Jennifer A. Ross-Carrire
General Counsel and Director of Policy
Momentous.ca Corporation [2]
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ mailto:owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Bhavin Turakhia
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 1:13 PM
To: registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Please let me know if I am missing anyone. I intend to send the statement to
Vint shortly
! #1 Host Kuwait, Inc
! #1 Host Malaysia, Inc.
! #1 Host United Kingdom, Inc [5] [I'm counting up the number of signatures, BobC]
!!! $0 CostDomains
Aaaq
AAAQ Inc
Ace of Domains
Active 24 [10]
Ascio
AvidDomains
Blue Razor
Bulkregister
BulkRegister [15 duplicate?]
CoolHandle Hosting
CORE
CSIRegistry
Directi [20]
Domain Bank
Domain Contender
Domain Name Sales Inc
DomainClip
DomainHip [25]
Domainpeople
DomainPeople Inc
Domains Only
DomainSystems, Inc.
DotRegister [30]
Dotster
EasyDNS
Encirca
Enom
EPAG [35]
GMO
GoDaddy
Hosting.com
Intercosmos
Joker.com [40]
Key Systems
Key-Systems [dup?]
Melbourne IT
Misk.com
Moniker & Other Registrars [45]
Moniker Online Services
Name Intelligence, Inc
Name.com
Namebay [50]
Namesecure
Network Soln
Nominalia
RallyDomains
Register.com [55]
Schlund+Partner
Spot Domain LLC
SRSPlus
Tucows [60]
Vivid domains
Wild West Domains [62]
Best Regards
Bhavin Turakhia
Founder, Chairman & CEO
Directi
end quote:
I added the square brackets. We did not have 62 members in November last year. Many members who were in good standing at the time did not "sign" the list.
Some members of Excom have spoken about "free riders" among registrars.
Would anyone object if I pointed to some rides above who have never paid any dues?
Regards, BobC
2007-2008
Review Period: 30 Days
Income & Assets
Current Assets (Bank Account)
$37,672.31
Proposed Dues $750.00
Number of Members 50 $37,500.00
Proposed Reduced Fees-1 $250.00
Number of Members w/reduced fees 10 $2,500.00
$75,172.31
Expenses
Administrative Support-2
$15,000.00
Professional Support-3
$30,000.00
Technical Expenses-4
$4,000.00
Meeting Expenses-5
$5,000.00
$54,000.00
Expected Ending Balance
$21,172.31
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