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RE: [registrars] Godaddy locks domains in for 60 days after a rant change

  • To: Richard Lau <richard@xxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [registrars] Godaddy locks domains in for 60 days after a rant change
  • From: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:08:06 -0700
  • Cc: Registrars Constituency <registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Mark Jeftovic <markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Reply-to: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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<div>Richard,</div>
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<div>Yes, it's part of that process. And actually, during the process&nbsp;that resulted in the new transfer policy (well, not so new any more) we suggested the 60-day rule extend to registrant transfers. We'd still support that.</div>
<div><BR><BR>Tim <BR></div>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid">-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: RE: [registrars] Godaddy locks domains in for 60 days after a<BR>rant &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;change<BR>From: "Richard Lau" &lt;richard@xxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Date: Thu, October 05, 2006 3:36 pm<BR>To: "Tim Ruiz" &lt;tim@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;, "Mark Jeftovic" &lt;markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Cc: "Registrars Constituency" &lt;registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR><BR>Hi Tim,<BR><BR>So it's part of the process that the new Registrant agrees to?<BR><BR>Personally I don't think it's a bad idea because it does make it easier<BR>to undo fraudulent transfers (between registrants) - I was just saying<BR>how I thought it was being implemented. &nbsp;<BR><BR>Perhaps we should all swing to not allowing transfer outs for 60 days<BR>after the Registrant field has changed. It would probably help in domain<BR>hijacking cases.<BR><BR>Richard<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:16:!
 23 -0700, "Tim Ruiz" &lt;tim@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt; said:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Both are incorrect. It involves a separate and voluntary agreement<BR>&gt; between us and the new registrant in regards to a completely optional<BR>&gt; process. We have just as many customers who decide to transfer first,<BR>&gt; then change the ownership. Our only concern is in protecting the<BR>&gt; interests of our customers and ensuring secure transfers of ownership.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Tim<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &nbsp; -------- Original Message --------<BR>&gt; &nbsp; Subject: Re: [registrars] Godaddy locks domains in for 60 days after a<BR>&gt; &nbsp; rant &nbsp; &nbsp;change<BR>&gt; &nbsp; From: Mark Jeftovic &lt;markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; Date: Thu, October 05, 2006 2:45 pm<BR>&gt; &nbsp; To: Richard Lau &lt;richard@xxxxxxx&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; Cc: Registrars Constituency &lt;registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; Yes, somebody else mentioned that to me off list, to which I replied:<BR>&gt; &!
 nbsp; I think that's a liberal interpretation of this paragraph:<BR>&g
t; &nbsp; "A domain name is within 60 days (or a lesser period to be determined)<BR>&gt; &nbsp; after being transferred (apart from being transferred back to the<BR>&gt; &nbsp; original Registrar in cases where both Registrars so agree and/or where<BR>&gt; &nbsp; a decision in the dispute resolution process so directs)."<BR>&gt; &nbsp; Because in the next section the exclusions specifically define the<BR>&gt; &nbsp; transfers as between registrars:<BR>&gt; &nbsp; "Instances when the re! quested change of Registrar may not be denied<BR>&gt; &nbsp; include, but are not limited to: ...<BR>&gt; &nbsp; Domain name registration period time constraints, other than during the<BR>&gt; &nbsp; first 60 days of initial registration or during the first 60 days after<BR>&gt; &nbsp; a registrar transfer."<BR>&gt; &nbsp; It could be that sloppy text in the first paragraph opened the door to<BR>&gt; &nbsp; this. If a registrar is worried about the change of registrant they<BR>&gt; &nbsp; sho!
 uld satisfy themselves before executing it, it's a separate issue<BR>&gt; &nbsp; from a registrar transfer.<BR>&gt; &nbsp; This is just a tactic to try to keep the domain via auto-renew or<BR>&gt; &nbsp; hoping<BR>&gt; &nbsp; the new owner is lazy and forgets after 60days and just leaves it<BR>&gt; &nbsp; there.<BR>&gt; &nbsp; -mark<BR>&gt; &nbsp; Richard Lau wrote:<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; I could be wrong here, but I think the section where it says:<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; A domain name is within 60 days (or a lesser period to be determined)<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; after being transferred (apart from being transferred back to the<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; original Registrar in cases wh! ere both Registrars so agree and/or where<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; a decision in the di spute resolution process so directs).<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; is being interpreted as:<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; A domain name is within 60 days after being transferred.<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; ... wh!
 ere the word "transferred" is used as transferred between two<BR>&gt; 
&nbsp; &gt; different registrants at the same Registrar.<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; Probably not what the author(s) intended, but as we all have seen, it's<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; the letter of the (ICANN) law, not the intent of the law, that counts.<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; Just my guess.<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; Richard<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:24:58 -0400, "Mark Jeftovic" &lt;markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt; said:<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;I'm noticing that after a Godaddy user moves a domain to another Godaddy<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;account, or changes the registrant info of a domain, they are enforcing<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;a 60-day no transfer-out rule.<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;I don't think that is permissable under the policy posted at<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;http://www.icann.org/transfers/polic! y-1!
 2jul04.htm<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;Which only provides that the losing registrar can deny a transfer if a<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;domain is within 60 days of the initial reg period or 60 days of a<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;previous registrar transfer.<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;Has this come up before?<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;-mark<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;--<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;Mark Jeftovic &lt;markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;Founder &amp; President, easyDNS Technologies Inc.<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;ph. +1-(416)-535-8672 ext 225<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;&gt;fx. +1-(866) 273-2892<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; --<BR>&gt; &nbsp; Mark Jeftovic &lt;markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>&gt; &nbsp; Founder &amp; President, easyDNS Technologies Inc.<BR>&gt; &nbsp; ph. +1-(416)-535-8672 ext 225<BR>&gt; &nbsp; fx. +1-(866) 273-2892 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>



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