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RE: [registrars] Cape town agenda
- To: Larry Erlich <erlich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [registrars] Cape town agenda
- From: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:58:27 -0700
- Cc: Registrars@xxxxxxxx
- Reply-to: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Sender: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<div>Larry,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I always thought the purpose was your item 2 below, certainly not 1.
Of course, there is no policy that I am aware of that dictates that.
And that is the problem. I believe it would reek havoc if hundreds
of registrars and/or their clients started registering tens of
thousands of names every day and then deleted most of them within the
grace period.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I am under no delusion that even with a policy there would be no
abuse. However, it would allow the registries to take action when
they see abuse, especially with more flagrant
attempts.<BR><BR>Tim</div>
<div> </div>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT:
blue 2px solid"><BR>-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re:
[registrars] Cape town agenda<BR>From: "Larry Erlich"
<erlich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Date: Tue, October 19, 2004 11:31
am<BR>To: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc:
Registrars@xxxxxxxx<BR><BR>What is the reason for the add grace
period?<BR><BR>Which of the following is true:<BR><BR>1) To allow
consumers to change their minds<BR>and try before
buying?<BR><BR>and/or<BR><BR>2) To allow registrars or registrants a
reasonable time to<BR>correct registration errors/mistakes?<BR><BR>If
#1 is one of the reasons, then it becomes an issue<BR>for the registry
to care or not if it is done. If the speculator<BR>puts in 100
registrations and only keeps one, the registry may<BR>decide that
that's worth the activity for the $6 gain. <BR><BR>Larry
Erlich<BR><BR>http://www.DomainRegistry.com<BR><BR>Tim Ruiz
wrote:<BR>> <BR>> Just to clarify my concerns regarding the ADD
Grace Period and why I<BR>> would like to see it as an agenda item
for Cape Town.<BR>> <BR>> Right now it is possible for any
registrar to register hundreds,<BR>> thousands, and even tens of
thousands of domain names on a daily basis<BR>> and delete the
worthless ones within the ADD Grace Period.<BR>> <BR>> For
example, it appears that ItsYourDomain.com (Innerwise) or one
of<BR>> their clients may be doing that quite regularly. Although I
don't know<BR>> why they are doing it, one reason a registrar (or
registrar client) may<BR>> want to do that is to take a 3 or 4 day
look at the traffic and decide<BR>> which ones are worth keeping.
Note that it is next to impossible for<BR>> this to happen without
at least the knowledge, and probably the<BR>> assistance, of the
registrar.<BR>> <BR>> A review of the registries agreements with
ICANN, our RAA, and our<BR>> agreements with the registries indicate
that there is nothing that can<BR>> be enforced to prevent
this.<BR>> <BR>> The question for us is, do we think that this is
acceptable or is it an<BR>> abuse of the ADD Grace Period? If a large
number of registrars decided<BR>> to participate in this activity it
may:<BR>> <BR>> 1. Erode consumer confidence in our industry.
Domains are reported as<BR>> not available, then they are registered
after that by another party.<BR>> <BR>> 2. Use registry resources
for the gain of a very small group of<BR>> consumers
(speculators).<BR>> <BR>> 3. Consume registry bandwidth to the
point where registrars' normal<BR>> business activity is
throttled.<BR>> <BR>> I would like to see us discuss possible
solutions amongst ourselves and<BR>> with the registries. If our two
constituencies can agree on a solution,<BR>> I would see no reason
why ICANN would not approve.<BR>> <BR>> Tim<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> -------- Original Message --------<BR>> Subject: Re:
[registrars] Cape town agenda<BR>> From: "Marcus Faure"
<faure@xxxxxxxxxxx><BR>> Date: Tue, October 19, 2004 2:51
am<BR>> To: "Bhavin Turakhia"
<bhavin.t@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>> Cc: "'Registrars List'"
<Registrars@xxxxxxxx><BR>> <BR>> Hi,<BR>> <BR>> i
already sent an eMail to the list asking for the addition of:<BR>>
<BR>> * Using IANA IDs on registry level<BR>> <BR>> This could
be a subitem of transfers.<BR>> <BR>> Yours,<BR>>
Marcus<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> > Hi all<BR>> ><BR>>
> Bob connelly had submitted a below tentative agenda and it is
important that<BR>> > all of you see if you want any other items,
or any specific people to be<BR>> > involved in the meetings
process and post them to the list immediately -<BR>> ><BR>>
> --Registrar Constituency meeting processes and email list
management (closed<BR>> > meeting - constituency members
only)<BR>> ><BR>> > --Constituency Budget (Donna)(closed
meeting - constituency members only)<BR>> ><BR>> > --ICANN
Budget (BAG and ICANN staff)<BR>> ><BR>> > --ICANN
positions - process and timing for filling them (ICANN staff)<BR>>
><BR>> > --Transfers (TAG)<BR>> ><BR>> > --Whois
(task force reps)<BR>> ><BR>> > --US Congress (GAO) Study
on Whois Accuracy (Elana)<BR>> ><BR>> > --Net Registry -
rules for rebidding (ICANN staff)<BR>> ><BR>> > --sTLDs -
(ICANN staff) (sTLD applicants invited to present)<BR>> ><BR>>
> --Process for choosing new gTLDs (may want to discuss separately
from<BR>> > registries meeting)<BR>> ><BR>> >
--Meeting with ccNSO (proposed agenda)<BR>> > ICANN
Budget<BR>> > IDNs<BR>> > .eu presentation (eu ccTLD
manager)<BR>> ><BR>> > --Meeting with the Registry
Constituency (proposed agenda)<BR>> > EPP
Progress/Concerns<BR>> > Transfers<BR>> > Registry
Maintenance Alerts & Notifications<BR>> > ICANN Budget Issues
(if still relevant)<BR>> > Global Acceptance of new TLDs<BR>>
> Evaluation of current TLDs<BR>> > Redemptions, and the old
idea of not billing us until the end of the<BR>> > grace
period<BR>> > Briefing by registries of any new services they
plan to roll out<BR>> ><BR>> > --Meeting with the
Business/IPC Constituencies (proposed agenda)<BR>> > ICANN
Budget<BR>> > Whois / Privacy / Accuracy<BR>> > ICANN and
the WSIS process<BR>> ><BR>> > --Meeting with the
Non-commercial Constituency (proposed agenda)<BR>> >
Whois<BR>> > Privacy<BR>> > Accuracy<BR>> ><BR>>
> Best Regards<BR>> > Bhavin Turakhia<BR>> > Founder,
CEO and Chairman<BR>> > DirectI<BR>> >
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<BR>-----------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Larry
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