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RE: [registrars] Cape town agenda

  • To: Larry Erlich <erlich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [registrars] Cape town agenda
  • From: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:58:27 -0700
  • Cc: Registrars@xxxxxxxx
  • Reply-to: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Sender: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

<div>Larry,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I always thought the purpose was your item 2 below, certainly not 1.
Of course, there is no policy that I am aware of that dictates that.
And that is the problem. I believe it would reek havoc if&nbsp;hundreds
of&nbsp;registrars and/or their clients started registering tens of
thousands of names every day and then deleted most of them within the
grace period.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I am under no delusion that even with a policy there would be no
abuse. However, it would&nbsp;allow the registries to take action when
they see abuse, especially&nbsp;with more flagrant
attempts.<BR><BR>Tim</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT:
blue 2px solid"><BR>-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re:
[registrars] Cape town agenda<BR>From: "Larry Erlich"
&lt;erlich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Date: Tue, October 19, 2004 11:31
am<BR>To: "Tim Ruiz" &lt;tim@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Cc:
Registrars@xxxxxxxx<BR><BR>What is the reason for the add grace
period?<BR><BR>Which of the following is true:<BR><BR>1) To allow
consumers to change their minds<BR>and try before
buying?<BR><BR>and/or<BR><BR>2) To allow registrars or registrants a
reasonable time to<BR>correct registration errors/mistakes?<BR><BR>If
#1 is one of the reasons, then it becomes an issue<BR>for the registry
to care or not if it is done. If the speculator<BR>puts in 100
registrations and only keeps one, the registry may<BR>decide that
that's worth the activity for the $6 gain. <BR><BR>Larry
Erlich<BR><BR>http://www.DomainRegistry.com<BR><BR>Tim Ruiz
wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Just to clarify my concerns regarding the ADD
Grace Period and why I<BR>&gt; would like to see it as an agenda item
for Cape Town.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Right now it is possible for any
registrar to register hundreds,<BR>&gt; thousands, and even tens of
thousands of domain names on a daily basis<BR>&gt; and delete the
worthless ones within the ADD Grace Period.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; For
example, it appears that ItsYourDomain.com (Innerwise) or one
of<BR>&gt; their clients may be doing that quite regularly. Although I
don't know<BR>&gt; why they are doing it, one reason a registrar (or
registrar client) may<BR>&gt; want to do that is to take a 3 or 4 day
look at the traffic and decide<BR>&gt; which ones are worth keeping.
Note that it is next to impossible for<BR>&gt; this to happen without
at least the knowledge, and probably the<BR>&gt; assistance, of the
registrar.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; A review of the registries agreements with
ICANN, our RAA, and our<BR>&gt; agreements with the registries indicate
that there is nothing that can<BR>&gt; be enforced to prevent
this.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; The question for us is, do we think that this is
acceptable or is it an<BR>&gt; abuse of the ADD Grace Period? If a large
number of registrars decided<BR>&gt; to participate in this activity it
may:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 1. Erode consumer confidence in our industry.
Domains are reported as<BR>&gt; not available, then they are registered
after that by another party.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 2. Use registry resources
for the gain of a very small group of<BR>&gt; consumers
(speculators).<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 3. Consume registry bandwidth to the
point where registrars' normal<BR>&gt; business activity is
throttled.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I would like to see us discuss possible
solutions amongst ourselves and<BR>&gt; with the registries. If our two
constituencies can agree on a solution,<BR>&gt; I would see no reason
why ICANN would not approve.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Tim<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;
<BR>&gt; -------- Original Message --------<BR>&gt; Subject: Re:
[registrars] Cape town agenda<BR>&gt; From: "Marcus Faure"
&lt;faure@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>&gt; Date: Tue, October 19, 2004 2:51
am<BR>&gt; To: "Bhavin Turakhia"
&lt;bhavin.t@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>&gt; Cc: "'Registrars List'"
&lt;Registrars@xxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hi,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; i
already sent an eMail to the list asking for the addition of:<BR>&gt;
<BR>&gt; * Using IANA IDs on registry level<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; This could
be a subitem of transfers.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Yours,<BR>&gt;
Marcus<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Hi all<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;
&gt; Bob connelly had submitted a below tentative agenda and it is
important that<BR>&gt; &gt; all of you see if you want any other items,
or any specific people to be<BR>&gt; &gt; involved in the meetings
process and post them to the list immediately -<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;
&gt; --Registrar Constituency meeting processes and email list
management (closed<BR>&gt; &gt; meeting - constituency members
only)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --Constituency Budget (Donna)(closed
meeting - constituency members only)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --ICANN
Budget (BAG and ICANN staff)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --ICANN
positions - process and timing for filling them (ICANN staff)<BR>&gt;
&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --Transfers (TAG)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --Whois
(task force reps)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --US Congress (GAO) Study
on Whois Accuracy (Elana)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --Net Registry -
rules for rebidding (ICANN staff)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --sTLDs -
(ICANN staff) (sTLD applicants invited to present)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;
&gt; --Process for choosing new gTLDs (may want to discuss separately
from<BR>&gt; &gt; registries meeting)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;
--Meeting with ccNSO (proposed agenda)<BR>&gt; &gt; ICANN
Budget<BR>&gt; &gt; IDNs<BR>&gt; &gt; .eu presentation (eu ccTLD
manager)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --Meeting with the Registry
Constituency (proposed agenda)<BR>&gt; &gt; EPP
Progress/Concerns<BR>&gt; &gt; Transfers<BR>&gt; &gt; Registry
Maintenance Alerts &amp; Notifications<BR>&gt; &gt; ICANN Budget Issues
(if still relevant)<BR>&gt; &gt; Global Acceptance of new TLDs<BR>&gt;
&gt; Evaluation of current TLDs<BR>&gt; &gt; Redemptions, and the old
idea of not billing us until the end of the<BR>&gt; &gt; grace
period<BR>&gt; &gt; Briefing by registries of any new services they
plan to roll out<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --Meeting with the
Business/IPC Constituencies (proposed agenda)<BR>&gt; &gt; ICANN
Budget<BR>&gt; &gt; Whois / Privacy / Accuracy<BR>&gt; &gt; ICANN and
the WSIS process<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --Meeting with the
Non-commercial Constituency (proposed agenda)<BR>&gt; &gt;
Whois<BR>&gt; &gt; Privacy<BR>&gt; &gt; Accuracy<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;
&gt; Best Regards<BR>&gt; &gt; Bhavin Turakhia<BR>&gt; &gt; Founder,
CEO and Chairman<BR>&gt; &gt; DirectI<BR>&gt; &gt;
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Erlich - DomainRegistry.com, Inc.<BR>215-244-6700 - FAX:215-244-6605 -
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