RE: [registrars] Cap it

["Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

What exactly is the motion directing the ExCom to do?  And what mechanism
will the ExCom use to accomplish it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Westerdal [mailto:jwesterdal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:26 AM
To: 'Paul Stahura'; 'Monte Cahn'; 'Tim Ruiz'; ross@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'Rob Hall'; 'Jean-Michel Becar'; 'Registrars Constituency'
Subject: RE: [registrars] Cap it

I second Paul's motion.

Jay Westerdal
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http://www.nameintelligence.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Stahura
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:32 PM
To: 'Monte Cahn'; 'Tim Ruiz'; ross@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'Rob Hall'; 'Jean-Michel Becar'; 'Registrars Constituency'
Subject: [registrars] Cap it

I agree with Monte.  
We need to draw a line in the sand this year, regardless.
I said so last year.
Last time, I said,
"I believe we need to make clear to ICANN now that we will not support any
increase in fees to registrars." 
and
"We need to warn ICANN now that while we may or may not support a budget
increase, that the increase, if any, not be born by the registrars."
(You can read the rest in our archive
http://www.gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/registrars/msg01073.html )

We did not to that, but it is better late than never.

Let's not wait yet another year.
I still believe the only way we can stop these year-after-year increases is
to have our own cap.

Kurt said in his 5/19 email:
"Where the budget ascribed to holding the 25 cent fee constant, it should
also be taken as making the same commitment to the per annum fee."

Regardless of the rest, we need to at least get this commitment formalized
before any budget-voting happens.  So I move we authorize excom to do so.

Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monte Cahn
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:56 PM
To: 'Tim Ruiz'; ross@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'Rob Hall'; 'Jean-Michel Becar'; 'Registrars Constituency'
Subject: RE: [registrars] 66% needed for approval

Well - it appears we are not left in a very good position today.  I feel
that just laying over and letting this happen without putting forth a firm
stance on what our position is on this issue is a big mistake.  Look what
just happened to us as Registrars this year.  What makes you think that this
process will not continue next year (or in 3 years) and the year after.
Let's not be afraid to make a stance with ICANN, we are being too easy on
this issue.  Look at the letter that Paul Kane put out.  Be the squeaky
wheel that needs oil!

Let's draw a definite line in the sand regardless of what happens to us this
year so that next year/years we do use our leverage with the registries and
other sources to supplement the increase yet to come.   Also we are spending
way too much time away from our business complaining, disagreeing with each
other based on our relative business models and size.  Don't you think that
ICANN knows that the top 10 Registrars control 80% of the domains today and
the reason they were consulted with only them?  Although I see that top 10
picture changing over the next 12 months, it is important that we all stay
unified and together as a group on the future of our industry.  Internet
users are predicted to double again in the next 3-5 years and we can all
share in the registrations and complementary services if we stay together.

Just my thoughts.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:30 PM
To: ross@xxxxxxxxxx; 'Monte Cahn'
Cc: 'Rob Hall'; 'Jean-Michel Becar'; 'Registrars Constituency'
Subject: RE: [registrars] 66% needed for approval

Exactly. Also, once they have this worked out where do you think that is
going to leave us next year and the year after that as far as having a
significant voice in this process?

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ross Wm. Rader
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:58 AM
To: Monte Cahn
Cc: 'Rob Hall'; 'Jean-Michel Becar'; 'Registrars Constituency'
Subject: Re: [registrars] 66% needed for approval

On 5/27/2004 10:41 AM Monte Cahn noted that:

> I think we are on to something here.....

Doubtful. It only requires the consent of ICANN to modify this contract. 
  I think it would be pretty easy for the various registries to draw up a
quick Christmas list of things they want in exchange for signing a revised
contract that lifts these caps. I also expect that this could be done in a
couple of weeks, behind closed doors and likely seal our fate permanently.

The problem of the size of the budget doesn't go away no matter how many
  potential angles we come up with. We can either focus on that or, in my
opinion, lose (big).
-- 

                        -rwr








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