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[registrars] Proxy listings or "Private".

  • To: Duane Connelly <duane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Dan Busarow <dan@xxxxxxxxxx>, Mieko Umezu <umezu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: [registrars] Proxy listings or "Private".
  • From: "Robert F. Connelly" <rconnell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:41:03 -0800
  • Cc: registrars@xxxxxxxx
  • In-reply-to: <406AFB73.4E98@DomainRegistry.com>
  • References: <029001c4172b$58e60a40$fa05a8c0@TIMRUIZ> <406AFB73.4E98@DomainRegistry.com>
  • Sender: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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At 09:10 AM 3/31/2004, Larry Erlich wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>&gt;From a Network Solutions email
that<br>
I just received:<br><br>
--ICANN requires personal contact information associated<br>
--with a domain name registration be made available for<br>
--anyone to view on the web in a public WHOIS database. <br>
--<br>
--With our Private Registration service you will get alternate<br>
--contact information for your domain name registrations.<br>
--The contact information you want to keep private is kept<br>
--out of the public WHOIS database.<br>
--&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<br>
<font color="#FF0000">--Our introductory price of $5 per year per domain
name is<br>
--expiring soon. So add Private Registration to your domain<br>
--name registrations today.</font><br><br>
It seems that there is a conflict of interest in<br>
the discussion about whois as a few registrars that are<br>
participating also offer &quot;private&quot; registrations. As such<br>
it is obvious that they would probably prefer to<br>
have all whois information as public as possible<br>
so that they can continue to sell the<br>
private registrations. Nothing wrong<br>
with that, but would those registrars that<br>
have private registrations care to identify<br>
themselves?<br><br>
<br>
Larry Erlich<br><br>
<a href="http://www.domainregistry.com/"; eudora="autourl">http://www.DomainRegistry.com</a><br><br>
<br><br>
<br>
Tim Ruiz wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Paul,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I agree with Ross' comments below for the most part.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; By severely restricted, I meant that it should only be used to
facilitate<br>
&gt; transfers, and only then until something better is decided on. I was
not<br>
&gt; arguing anything about the data collected or displayed.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; But regarding that, I don't see a need for, or agree with, any
change to the<br>
&gt; data collected or displayed, at least based on any of the arguments
or<br>
&gt; reasoning that I've seen or heard to date.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Also, I am only talking about direct access to port 43. I see no
problem<br>
&gt; with, and am not recommending any change to, the Web based access to
Whois<br>
&gt; as long we can continue to protect it from scripting or high volume
access.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Tim<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Ross Wm. Rader
[<a href="mailto:ross@xxxxxxxxxx"; eudora="autourl">mailto:ross@xxxxxxxxxx</a>]<br>
&gt; Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:44 PM<br>
&gt; To: Paul Stahura<br>
&gt; Cc: Tim Ruiz; registrars@xxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [registrars] FW: [dow1tf] TR: IPC constituency
statement for<br>
&gt; Whois TF1<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On 3/30/2004 9:13 PM Paul Stahura noted that:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; What happens with thick registries?<br>
&gt; &gt; .com and .net will switch to EPP, and who knows, probably thick
EPP.<br>
&gt; &gt; Do we get to choose &quot;b allow registrars to manage the
service as they see<br>
&gt; &gt; fit&quot; by not providing them with the whois
information?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I think this is almost a separate conversation, but my preference
would<br>
&gt; be to evaluate the utility of the thick registry model before we
permit<br>
&gt; the creation of any more. Based on the testbed experience, I'm
not<br>
&gt; convinced that centralizing customer data in this way without
getting<br>
&gt; the guarantees we all need from a legal perspective is necessarily
a<br>
&gt; wise thing moving forward.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; To the point as it relates to this policy - registrars shouldn't
be<br>
&gt; obligated to provide the data to any party that can't guarantee that
the<br>
&gt; data will be treated in a manner consistent with the policies
and<br>
&gt; legislation under which it was collected.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Are you proposing we be allowed to not give the info to
anyone?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; That would be one potential implementation. Or just to parties that
we<br>
&gt; have a relationship with. Or just to parties that acts a brokers
between<br>
&gt; registrars and potential licensee's or...<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-rwr<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&quot;Don't be too timid and squeamish about your actions.<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
All life is an experiment.<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
The more experiments you make the better.&quot;<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
- Ralph Waldo Emerson<br>
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