[registrars] Fw: BOUNCE registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: Non-member submission from [Steinar Grøtterød <Steinar.Grotterod@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

[Rick Wesson <wessorh@xxxxxx>]

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Then we're back on the beginning!=20
=20
We cannot have a verification system depending on email verifications
only.=20
=20
We all know the problem with incorrect registrant email address and some
Registrars placing non-valid-email-address@xxxxxxxxx. It's also quite
common that the Registrar enter an email addressed controlled by the
Registrar - not the Registrant, as the admin-c email address.
=20
We need a system where the gaining Registrar must have authorization
from the Registrant and the loosing Registrar shall not prevent the
transfer to be completed if not certain requirements are fulfilled
(example lack of payment)
=20

Steinar Gr=F8tter=F8d=20
Director=20
Domain Business Unit Department
Active ISP ASA=20


-----Original Message-----
From: Elana Broitman [mailto:ebroitman@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 14. oktober 2003 22:34
To: Rob Hall; tbarrett@xxxxxxxxxxx; Bruce Tonkin
Cc: Registrars Constituency
Subject: RE: [registrars] Third Draft Standard form of authorisation for
use by losing registrars after a transfer is initiated


correct
=20

Elana Broitman=20
Register.com=20
575 Eighth Avenue=20
New York, NY 10018=20
Phone (212) 798-9215=20
Fax   (212) 629-9309=20
ebroitman@xxxxxxxxxxxx=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hall [mailto:rob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:51 PM
To: tbarrett@xxxxxxxxxxx; 'Bruce Tonkin'; Elana Broitman
Cc: 'Registrars Constituency'
Subject: RE: [registrars] Third Draft Standard form of authorisation for
use by losing registrars after a transfer is initiated


I think that is correct, BUT;
=20
The gaining registrar must have recieved the confirmation from the
standard confirmation request that they sent out.
=20
If the Registrant does nothing (ie: does not reply to any of the
confirmations), the transfer can be Nack'ed (actually, it should never
be officially started at the Registry).
=20
So a Registrant who is not contactable (ie: bad email address) or a
Registrant who replies to nothing, will not have the domain transfered.
=20
Rob.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of tbarrett
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:41 PM
To: 'Bruce Tonkin'; 'Elana Broitman'
Cc: 'Robert F. Connelly'; 'Registrars Constituency'
Subject: RE: [registrars] Third Draft Standard form of authorisation for
use by losing registrars after a transfer is initiated


Elana/Bruce,
=20
As a followup from Gary's question:
=20
If I read this correctly, losing registrars can no longer NACK a
transfer if a registrant does not respond to an email confirmation.
Correct? =20
=20
In other words, the transfer must be allowed by the losing registrar
even if the registrant ignores the confirmation request from the losing
registrar.
=20
Tom
=20
=20
=20
=20

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert F. Connelly
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:58 PM
To: Registrars Constituency
Subject: RE: [registrars] Third Draft Standard form of authorisation for
use by losing registrars after a transfer is initiated


At 03:13 PM 10/9/03 +0100, Gary Boyd wrote:


But just so that I am clear. The losing registrar email is only designed
to
be an alert to the registrant (thereby providing them with an
opportunity to
block the transfer) and therefore the registrant is not required to
undertake any further action to complete the transfer process.=20


Dear Gary:  There is a related element.  The Admin Contact may request
and authorize the transfer.  Notification of the registrant is a
different matter.  We have had cases where a hosting service, which was
also the Admin Contact, elected to order a transfer.  Subsequently, the
registrant objected and demanded that the domain be returned to PSI.

I think there could be a few cases like that in many bulk transfers of
500 to 1,00 [sic:  Sorry, 1,000] domains.

Regards, BobC




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we're back on the beginning! </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468451715-15102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D468451715-15102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468451715-15102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>We all=20
know the problem with incorrect registrant email address and some =
Registrars=20
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address.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468451715-15102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468451715-15102003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<P><I><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Steinar Gr=F8tter=F8d</FONT></I> =
<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Director</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Domain Business =
Unit=20
Department<BR>Active ISP ASA</FONT>&nbsp;<BR> </P></DIV>
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  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Elana Broitman=20
  [mailto:ebroitman@xxxxxxxxxxxx]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 14. oktober 2003=20
  22:34<BR><B>To:</B> Rob Hall; tbarrett@xxxxxxxxxxx; Bruce =
Tonkin<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
  Registrars Constituency<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [registrars] Third =
Draft=20
  Standard form of authorisation for use by losing registrars after a =
transfer=20
  is initiated<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D289593320-14102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>correct</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Elana Broitman</FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>R</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>egister.com</FONT> =
<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>575 Eighth Avenue</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>New =
York, NY=20
  10018</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Phone (212) =
798-9</FONT><FONT=20
  face=3DArial size=3D2>215</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Fax&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  (212)</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> 629-9309</FONT> <BR><FONT =
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  size=3D2>ebroitman@xxxxxxxxxxxx</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
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    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Rob Hall=20
    [mailto:rob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 09, =
2003 4:51=20
    PM<BR><B>To:</B> tbarrett@xxxxxxxxxxx; 'Bruce Tonkin'; Elana=20
    Broitman<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'Registrars Constituency'<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
RE:=20
    [registrars] Third Draft Standard form of authorisation for use by =
losing=20
    registrars after a transfer is initiated<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D031214820-09102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
    think that is correct, BUT;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D031214820-09102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D031214820-09102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>The gaining registrar must have recieved the confirmation =
from the=20
    standard confirmation request that they sent =
out.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D031214820-09102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D031214820-09102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>If=20
    the Registrant does nothing (ie: does not reply to any of the=20
    confirmations), the transfer can be Nack'ed (actually, it should =
never be=20
    officially started at the Registry).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D031214820-09102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D031214820-09102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>So=20
    a Registrant who is not contactable (ie: bad email address) or a =
Registrant=20
    who replies to nothing, will not have the domain=20
    transfered.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D031214820-09102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D031214820-09102003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>Rob.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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      <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
      size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
      owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
      [mailto:owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On Behalf Of=20
      </B>tbarrett<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:41=20
      PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Bruce Tonkin'; 'Elana Broitman'<BR><B>Cc:</B> =
'Robert F.=20
      Connelly'; 'Registrars Constituency'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[registrars]=20
      Third Draft Standard form of authorisation for use by losing =
registrars=20
      after a transfer is initiated<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003>Elana/Bruce,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003>As a followup from Gary's=20
      question:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003>If I read this correctly, losing =
registrars can=20
      no longer NACK a transfer if a registrant does not respond to an =
email=20
      confirmation.&nbsp; Correct?&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003>In other words, the transfer must be =
allowed by=20
      the losing registrar even if the registrant ignores the =
confirmation=20
      request from the losing registrar.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003>Tom</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D097203717-09102003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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        <DIV></DIV>
        <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
        face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
        owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx =
[mailto:owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
        <B>On Behalf Of </B>Robert F. Connelly<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, =
October=20
        09, 2003 12:58 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Registrars=20
        Constituency<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [registrars] Third Draft =
Standard=20
        form of authorisation for use by losing registrars after a =
transfer is=20
        initiated<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>At 03:13 PM 10/9/03 +0100, Gary =
Boyd=20
        wrote:<BR>
        <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">But just so =
that I am=20
          clear. The losing registrar email is only designed to<BR>be an =
alert=20
          to the <FONT color=3D#ff0000>registrant</FONT> (thereby =
providing them=20
          with an opportunity to<BR>block the transfer) and therefore =
the=20
          registrant is not required to<BR>undertake any further action =
to=20
          complete the transfer process. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Dear =
Gary:&nbsp; There=20
        is a related element.&nbsp; The Admin Contact may request and =
authorize=20
        the transfer.&nbsp; Notification of the registrant is a =
different=20
        matter.&nbsp; We have had cases where a hosting service, which =
was also=20
        the Admin Contact, elected to order a transfer.&nbsp; =
Subsequently, the=20
        registrant objected and demanded that the domain be returned to=20
        PSI.<BR><BR>I think there could be a few cases like that in many =
bulk=20
        transfers of 500 to 1,00 [sic:&nbsp; Sorry, 1,000]=20
        domains.<BR><BR>Regards,=20
BobC<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></=
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