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Re: [registrars] RE: Registrar Approval of Variable Accreditation Fee for 2003-2004

  • To: Rick Wesson <wessorh@xxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [registrars] RE: Registrar Approval of Variable Accreditation Fee for 2003-2004
  • From: Larry Erlich <erlich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:33:56 -0400
  • Cc: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Registrars List <registrars@xxxxxxxx>
  • Organization: DomainRegistry.com, Inc.
  • References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0309040658150.16445-100000@flash.ar.com>
  • Sender: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Rick Wesson wrote:
> > Rick, for the me the point is that getting more precise data does not
> > in any way mean that it is more accurate. The congress, and others,
> > seem to be under the impression that one leads to the other. It
> > doesn't. All this will lead to is a better quality of bad data. What
> > is the problem that they are really trying to solve?
> Tim, you confuse me.
> if you assume everyone lies in their registration, the data will be no
> more accurate -- folks will just learn to be more efficient in their lie.
> However most registrants dont lie, if just a few percent of registrants
> lie then improving the tests on registrant data quality should improve the
> overall accuracy of registrant data.
> It all depends on the amount of registrants that desire a fraudulent
> registration. If I follow your logic it sounds like everyone wants to lie
> about their registrant data. which means more precise data will not lead
> to more accurate data -- and we have a much larger problem.
> The question to answer what percentage of registrants lie in a domain
> registration? 

(I would say 95% of those who have a NEED to lie
will lie).

In other words, what matters more is the percentage of registrants that
have something to hide that will lie. To make my point I
will guestimate that less than 5% of people who have a reason to
hide something will make a mistake that will
allow them to be tracked down. (Similar to a criminal making
an obvious mistake when commiting a crime). Then let's
guestimate that 1/10th of 1% of registrants are causing
some kind of problem that IP or law enforcement needs
to investigate. (Problems = Total Registrations * .05 * .1 * .01)
The rest nobody cares about other than sellers of
Viagra and mortgages etc.

It seems that in order to provide information to law 
enforcement and IP interests for a small % of domain registrations, 
we are violating the privacy and creating problems
for everyone else including registrars who will have
to pay for the technology to do the "error" checking.

Larry Erlich

> -rick
> Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property
> 2:00 p.m. in 2141 Rayburn House Office Building
> Oversight Hearing on: "Internet Domain Name Fraud - - the U.S.
> Government's Role in Ensuring Public Access to Accurate Whois Data"
> see http://boss.streamos.com/real-live/hjudiciary/4749/100_hjudiciary-live_030428.smi

Larry Erlich - DomainRegistry.com, Inc.
215-244-6700 - FAX:215-244-6605 - Reply: erlich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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